Author: Uri Blass
Date: 04:00:35 04/30/02
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On April 30, 2002 at 06:52:12, Otello Gnaramori wrote: >On April 30, 2002 at 06:44:25, Mark Young wrote: > >>On April 30, 2002 at 06:22:31, Otello Gnaramori wrote: >> >>>On April 30, 2002 at 04:44:41, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On April 29, 2002 at 12:04:09, Chris Carson wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 29, 2002 at 07:14:39, Jouni Uski wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I think we can make two conclusion, even if one game is played later: >>>>>> >>>>>>1) Motivated super GM can still beat all PC programs >>>>>>2) There isn't any program, which is specially good against humans >>>>>> >>>>>>Point 1) is actually good - there is still room for improvement, even if it's >>>>>>unnecessary for 99,9999% of chess players. >>>>>>Point 2) Fritz is as good as any program to play Kramnik. And with 8 CPU system >>>>>>it can at least make interesting games. >>>>>> >>>>>>Jouni >>>>> >>>>>Number 1 is not true: >>>>>Junior and Hiarcs have not lost a game to GM Smirin. Fritz and Rebel did not >>>>>get to play GM Smirin. I guess guess you you could say that the motivated 2700+ >>>>>Super GM can win one game against Shredder and Tiger. >>>>> >>>>>Point 2 is not true: >>>>>Rebel, Junior and Hiarcs all have euqal or positve records against 2700+ GM and >>>>>Fritz did not play against the 2700 GM >>>> >>>> >>>>I don't understand his match conclusions? >>>>This was not 1 computer program playing, it is better to understand the match as >>>>it was, 5 matches played vs the same human Grandmaster. >>>> >>>>1. The Hiarcs 8 match was evenly played, and +1 vs Gulko. >>>> >>>>2. The Junior 7 match was 1 draw, 1 null game were the computer's position was >>>>won, even score vs GM Gulko >>>> >>>>3. The Shredder match was 1 loss, 1 draw, and an even score vs GM Gulko. >>>> >>>>4. Chess Tiger match was a joke. It did not play... >>>> >>>>5. The Gambit Tiger(anti-human) match. 1 draw. >>>> >>>>6. The Gambit Tiger(default) match. 1 loss. >>>> >>>>Conclusion: GM Smirin won match 3. GM Smirin should of lost match 2. GM Smirin >>>>drew match 1. GM Smirin drew match 5 in a one game match, and won match 6 in a 1 >>>>game match. >>>> >>>>Conclusion #2 PC programs have once again shown they can play at a High GM >>>>level. >>>> >>>>Conclusion #3. PC programs need to lose the human element. SEE match 2 & 5 >>> >>>Mark, >>>I think that the final right result if Junior will win tomorrow, should be >>>4.5-4.5 ,in consideration of the fact that DJ won de facto against Smirin in the >>>nulled game. >>> >>>Otello >> >> >>I can't really argue, since the position was won for DJ, and GM Smirin did >>resign! See Conclusion #3 >> >>It must be noted that DJ, and Hiarcs 8 have played two very strong GM's. And >>have not be beat yet. >> >>Gambit Tiger was not allowed to play a fair match by human mistakes. >> >>Shredder was the only program that was beaten fairly, but still is only -1 and >>played with a GM level result. > >About Shredder there was a problem in selecting the proper opening book in the >first game, if I remember well this is what Sandro Necchi said in this forum. > >w.b.r. >Otello The programmer chose to use Junior's book also in the second game. He could refuse to play or at least protest before the game about the fact that chessbase use shredder with the wrong book. If the programmer wants not to count the game he should do it before the game and not after it. Uri
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