Author: Otello Gnaramori
Date: 04:02:10 04/30/02
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On April 30, 2002 at 06:46:48, Uri Blass wrote: >On April 30, 2002 at 06:22:31, Otello Gnaramori wrote: > >>On April 30, 2002 at 04:44:41, Mark Young wrote: >> >>>On April 29, 2002 at 12:04:09, Chris Carson wrote: >>> >>>>On April 29, 2002 at 07:14:39, Jouni Uski wrote: >>>> >>>>>I think we can make two conclusion, even if one game is played later: >>>>> >>>>>1) Motivated super GM can still beat all PC programs >>>>>2) There isn't any program, which is specially good against humans >>>>> >>>>>Point 1) is actually good - there is still room for improvement, even if it's >>>>>unnecessary for 99,9999% of chess players. >>>>>Point 2) Fritz is as good as any program to play Kramnik. And with 8 CPU system >>>>>it can at least make interesting games. >>>>> >>>>>Jouni >>>> >>>>Number 1 is not true: >>>>Junior and Hiarcs have not lost a game to GM Smirin. Fritz and Rebel did not >>>>get to play GM Smirin. I guess guess you you could say that the motivated 2700+ >>>>Super GM can win one game against Shredder and Tiger. >>>> >>>>Point 2 is not true: >>>>Rebel, Junior and Hiarcs all have euqal or positve records against 2700+ GM and >>>>Fritz did not play against the 2700 GM >>> >>> >>>I don't understand his match conclusions? >>>This was not 1 computer program playing, it is better to understand the match as >>>it was, 5 matches played vs the same human Grandmaster. >>> >>>1. The Hiarcs 8 match was evenly played, and +1 vs Gulko. >>> >>>2. The Junior 7 match was 1 draw, 1 null game were the computer's position was >>>won, even score vs GM Gulko >>> >>>3. The Shredder match was 1 loss, 1 draw, and an even score vs GM Gulko. >>> >>>4. Chess Tiger match was a joke. It did not play... >>> >>>5. The Gambit Tiger(anti-human) match. 1 draw. >>> >>>6. The Gambit Tiger(default) match. 1 loss. >>> >>>Conclusion: GM Smirin won match 3. GM Smirin should of lost match 2. GM Smirin >>>drew match 1. GM Smirin drew match 5 in a one game match, and won match 6 in a 1 >>>game match. >>> >>>Conclusion #2 PC programs have once again shown they can play at a High GM >>>level. >>> >>>Conclusion #3. PC programs need to lose the human element. SEE match 2 & 5 >> >>Mark, >>I think that the final right result if Junior will win tomorrow, should be >>4.5-4.5 ,in consideration of the fact that DJ won de facto against Smirin in the >>nulled game. >> >>Otello > >we can also say that the final result in that case is 4.75-4.25 >for smirin based on the fact that we do not know >if the nulled game is a win for Junior or a draw because >we do not know if Junior could win it >so we can take the average as an estimate. > >Uri This is what Amir said about: "However, in setting up the position on my computer Junior does fail high on Bc5 and plays it, after less than a minute, so I can’t say that I understand this. Anyway, in the final position Junior can still win with Be3-Bc5, and I guess it would" w.b.r. Otello
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