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Subject: Re: Smirin match conclusion?!

Author: Otello Gnaramori

Date: 04:02:10 04/30/02

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On April 30, 2002 at 06:46:48, Uri Blass wrote:

>On April 30, 2002 at 06:22:31, Otello Gnaramori wrote:
>
>>On April 30, 2002 at 04:44:41, Mark Young wrote:
>>
>>>On April 29, 2002 at 12:04:09, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 29, 2002 at 07:14:39, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I think we can make two conclusion, even if one game is played later:
>>>>>
>>>>>1) Motivated super GM can still beat all PC programs
>>>>>2) There isn't any program, which is specially good against humans
>>>>>
>>>>>Point 1) is actually good - there is still room for improvement, even if it's
>>>>>unnecessary for 99,9999% of chess players.
>>>>>Point 2) Fritz is as good as any program to play Kramnik. And with 8 CPU system
>>>>>it can at least make interesting games.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jouni
>>>>
>>>>Number 1 is not true:
>>>>Junior and Hiarcs have not lost a game to GM Smirin.  Fritz and Rebel did not
>>>>get to play GM Smirin.  I guess guess you you could say that the motivated 2700+
>>>>Super GM can win one game against Shredder and Tiger.
>>>>
>>>>Point 2 is not true:
>>>>Rebel, Junior and Hiarcs all have euqal or positve records against 2700+ GM and
>>>>Fritz did not play against the 2700 GM
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't understand his match conclusions?
>>>This was not 1 computer program playing, it is better to understand the match as
>>>it was, 5 matches played vs the same human Grandmaster.
>>>
>>>1. The Hiarcs 8 match was evenly played, and +1 vs Gulko.
>>>
>>>2. The Junior 7 match was 1 draw, 1 null game were the computer's position was
>>>won, even score vs GM Gulko
>>>
>>>3. The Shredder match was 1 loss, 1 draw, and an even score vs GM Gulko.
>>>
>>>4. Chess Tiger match was a joke. It did not play...
>>>
>>>5. The Gambit Tiger(anti-human) match. 1 draw.
>>>
>>>6. The Gambit Tiger(default) match. 1 loss.
>>>
>>>Conclusion: GM Smirin won match 3. GM Smirin should of lost match 2. GM Smirin
>>>drew match 1. GM Smirin drew match 5 in a one game match, and won match 6 in a 1
>>>game match.
>>>
>>>Conclusion #2 PC programs have once again shown they can play at a High GM
>>>level.
>>>
>>>Conclusion #3. PC programs need to lose the human element. SEE match 2 & 5
>>
>>Mark,
>>I think that the final right result if Junior will win tomorrow, should be
>>4.5-4.5 ,in consideration of the fact that DJ won de facto against Smirin in the
>>nulled game.
>>
>>Otello
>
>we can also say that the final result in that case is 4.75-4.25
>for smirin based on the fact that we do not know
>if the nulled game is a win for Junior or a draw because
>we do not know if Junior could win it
>so we can take the average as an estimate.
>
>Uri

This is what Amir said about:

"However, in setting up the position on my computer Junior does fail high on Bc5
and plays it, after less than a minute, so I can’t say that I understand this.
Anyway, in the final position Junior can still win with Be3-Bc5, and I guess it
would"

w.b.r.
Otello



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