Author: Miguel A. Ballicora
Date: 07:33:26 05/04/02
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On May 04, 2002 at 04:12:54, Jeroen Noomen wrote: >If you are going to post something about my connection to the Rebel Company, I >would first check this out, f.e. by asking me. For me it is very funny that you >talk about law and come with some statements that you haven't checked. To be >very clear about this: I am not an employee of the Rebel company. > >Besides, the matter I was discussing here in this forum had to do with hacking >the book (your point nr. 5 below). People had hacked the code in which the Rebel >book was written and converted it to their own format. And I find it fully >correct that something should be done about this. > >To add another point to this discussion: What about the various possibilities >under the available GUI's? Any program that runs under such a GUI can use ANY >book that is available. Giving it a huge advantage over other programs that do >not run under this specific GUI. It is easy to melt together several books and >use them for your own program. As far as I am concerned, this is very worrysome >for the W(M)CCC and other important competitions. I was in Maastricht last year >and I saw that programs like Ferret, Crafty, Diep, Spider Chess, XiniX, Pharaon >were severely handicapped by the fact that they had to fight programs that used >'loaned' books. I do not see anything wrong here, at least under copyright rules. As a _businessman_ you should be happy if you sell a product that it is used fairly (there is no hack here, just using the features of the GUI's that allow users to do several things that are even advertised). Your users would even trust your product in such important competition. Are you claiming that copyright rules are violated here? Or you claim sporting rules violated? That is another issue. See below. >A few people tried to convince me 'well Jeroen, it makes it easy for you: You >just have to crack a few books to get a good result for Tiger'. But as I am a >person who wants fair competition, I don't like this trend and therefore I want >to do something about it. If rules stay the same, the ICCA says 'it is not a >problem for us' okay, so be it. But there HAS TO BE a discussion about it. Of >course after a final decision has been made, I will always ask myself what to >do. If I don't like it or come to the conclusion that unfair competition is >allowed, I simply will not attend to such a tournament anymore. You still did not answer a question. Do you consider a book part of the engine in a competition? This will help to clarify your position. If the answer is "yes" then I agree with you that is not fair competition an for amateur to use your book. At same time it is not fair competition for tiger to use your book if Rebel is using also a book of yours in the same competition. Permission is irrelevant. If you do not consider a book as part of the engine, I do not see what is the problem for an amateur to use your book. As I said, you should be happy in that case. You cannot have it both ways. Regards, Miguel
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