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Subject: Re: Rebel10/Fritz5 GMs

Author: Don Prohaska

Date: 13:06:58 07/25/98

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Probably so, but when Fritz beat a couple of Super Chess Computers a few years
ago most comments that I saw indicated Fritz was lucky and not that strong. In a
match of many games Frtiz would have done poorly against those Giant Computers
it was said. Give Fritz credit. Give Rebel credit. But let us not be
hypicritical. The top computer chess programs are powerful. How good when
playing many games against top humans is another matter. Perhaps the GM must pay
more attention to what he's doing. After all, one of the computer's strength is
its memory. It doesn't forget and it can't be bluffed and it doesn't get tired.
Perhaps the GM sometimes plays at a handicap.

On July 25, 1998 at 15:38:04, odell hall wrote:

>
>A Very Good and interesting point! I have also followed some of the statements
>of the "computer chess experts" regarding the question of Grandmaster strength
>of Modern chess programs. My understanding of their comments is that We do not
>have enough Games at 40/2hrs against humans to make a claim of grandmaster
>strength for programs. However My question is How many Do We Need? It seems to
>me that rebel 9 more then proved it was a grandmaster in the Aegon 97 tournament
>with it's 2619 performance ratings where it scored 1 out of 2 against
>grandmasters and defeated every international master it played, some of these
>were in fact strong IM"s. Also let us not forget Rebel 9 outstanding performance
>at santo domingo tournament where it scored 13 points!! to win the tournament
>over Seven international master at 40/2hrs. It appears that such performances go
>beyond the abilitites of an alleged "weak international master". True We do not
>have a whole lot of games at 40/2hrs between computers, and humans but the ones
>that we do have demonstrate clearly that computers programs are performing at
>the grandmaster level, so why not give credit where credit is due? Is it perhaps
>because of deep seated prejudices that computer are a threat to chess? If I am
>wrong here would someone show me where all the games are where top programs are
>not performing at the GM level, because all the games that I have seen Indicate
>that they are.



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