Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 14:16:23 07/26/98
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On July 26, 1998 at 10:09:39, Komputer Korner wrote:
>As I have said many times in rgcc, I believe that if Rebel 10 would have had the
>move 11.d5 move in it's book, then Rebel would have won the slow time control
>games. Yes, it is time that Micros stop playing blitz games against the GM's as
>they have proved their superiority. Only 40/2 games mean anything. Jeroen Noomen
>must take respopnsibilty for not having 11.d5 in Rebel 10's book. It is in the
>book of CSTAL and the move has been played 3 times by strong players and white
>won all 3 games. If Schroder and company had had Knut Neven's Gigantic base with
>no duplicates and 50% of all games with the ELO ratings in the header, it would
>have clearly shown the three 11.d5 games in that line. Rebel 10 would not have
>lost that game if it had that move in it's book, and quite probably would have
>won. The real mystery is why Anand played such a weak line as Black. He is known
>to be bullet proof in the openings. ( well almosr bullet proof). See below for
>some analysis and the 3 games.
>
KK, please take a deep breath, and put your mind in gear before putting your
fingers in motion. Let me give you a short math lesson:
1.3M games? 3 times d3 was played. That is about once every 500K games,
roughly? Do you *really* believe that Jeroen (or anyone) has walked through
500K games in preparing an opening book?
That goes *far* beyond thinking stupid... It is an *impossible* task. You
really don't grasp just how big a tree the opening position expands into by
move 11? hint... compute 30^22, and tell me or anyone how Jeroen is going to
wade thru that many positions and notice that "11. d5 is not in the book for
white?"
That is an *impossible* task. *totally impossible*.
>[Event "Italy match"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "1990.??.??"]
>[Round "9"]
>[White "11.d5 Rebel10"]
>[Black "Anand, V."]
>[Result "0-1"]
>[ECO "E12"]
>[WhiteElo "2555"]
>[BlackElo "2795"]
>[Annotator "Administrator"]
>[PlyCount "31"]
>[EventDate "1990.??.??"]
>
>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. a3 Bb7 5. Nc3 d5 6. cxd5 Nxd5 7. Qc2 c5 8. e4
>Nxc3 9. bxc3 Nd7 10. Bf4 Qc8 (for rest of game moves See Rebel home page)11. d5!
>exd5 12. exd5 Be7 (12... Bxd5 13. O-O-O {
>-0.81/7} 13... Qc6 (13... Bc6 14. Qe2+ Be7 15. Bd6 Qd8 16. Re1 +-18) (13... Be6
>14. Bb5 a6 (14... Be7 15. Ne5 +-18) 15. Bxd7+ Bxd7 16. Rxd7 +-18) 14. Rxd5 Qxd5
>15. Bb5 15... O-O-O +-4 +-18 (15... c4 16. Bxd7+ 16... Qxd7 +-4 (16... Kxd7 17.
>Rd1 +-18)) 16. Ba6+) 13. Rd1 (13. d6 Bf6 14. Qe2+ Kf8 15. O-O-O h6 16. Ne5 g6
>17. Ng4 Qd8 18. Nxf6 Qxf6 19. Qe7+ Qxe7 20. dxe7+ Kxe7 21. Bb5 Nf6 22. Bd6+ Ke6
>23. Rhe1+) 13... O-O 14. Bd3 Nf6 (14... g6 15. c4 b5 16. O-O b4 17. h4 Qd8 18.
>h5 Qb6 19. Rfe1 Rfe8 20. hxg6 hxg6 21. d6 Bxd6 22. Rxe8+ Rxe8 23. Bxg6 Bxf4 24.
>Bxf7+ Kxf7 25. Qh7+ Kf8 26. Qh8+ Ke7 27. Qg7+ {
>1-0 Korotylev,A-Saulin,D/Moscow 1996 (27)}) 15. d6 (15. c4 Qg4 16. Bg3 Rfe8 17.
>O-O Qh5) 15... Bd8 (15... Qe6+ 16. Kf1 +-18) 16. Ne5 +-16 (see below) 0-1
>
>[Event "Tr.Lombardia"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "1990.??.??"]
>[Round "9"]
>[White "Contini, L."]
>[Black "Bresciani, N."]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[ECO "E12"]
>[WhiteElo "2340"]
>[BlackElo "2320"]
>[PlyCount "45"]
>[EventDate "1990.??.??"]
>
>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. a3 Bb7 5. Nc3 d5 6. cxd5 Nxd5 7. Qc2 c5 8. e4
>Nxc3 9. bxc3 Nd7 10. Bf4 Qc8 11. d5 exd5 12. exd5 Be7 13. d6 Bf6 14. Qe2+ Kf8
>15. O-O-O h6 16. Ne5 g6 17. Ng4 Qd8 18. Nxf6 Qxf6 19. Qe7+ Qxe7 20. dxe7+ Kxe7
>21. Bb5 Nf6 22. Bd6+ Ke6 23. Rhe1+ 1-0
>
>[Event "Moscow op"]
>[Site "Moscow"]
>[Date "1996.??.??"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Korotylev, A."]
>[Black "Saulin, D."]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[ECO "E12"]
>[WhiteElo "2475"]
>[BlackElo "2395"]
>[PlyCount "53"]
>[EventDate "1996.??.??"]
>
>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. a3 Bb7 5. Nc3 d5 6. Qc2 Nbd7 7. cxd5 Nxd5 8. e4
>Nxc3 9. bxc3 c5 10. Bf4 Qc8 11. d5 exd5 12. exd5 Be7 13. Rd1 O-O 14. Bd3 g6 15.
>c4 b5 16. O-O b4 17. h4 Qd8 18. h5 Qb6 19. Rfe1 Rfe8 20. hxg6 hxg6 21. d6 Bxd6
>22. Rxe8+ Rxe8 23. Bxg6 Bxf4 24. Bxf7+ Kxf7 25. Qh7+ Kf8 26. Qh8+ Ke7 27. Qg7+
>1-0
>
>[Event "cr WC"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "1989.??.??"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Pyrich"]
>[Black "Pampa"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[ECO "E12"]
>[PlyCount "29"]
>[EventDate "1989.??.??"]
>
>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. a3 Bb7 5. Nc3 d5 6. cxd5 Nxd5 7. Qc2 c5 8. e4
>Nxc3 9. bxc3 Nd7 10. Bf4 Qc8 11. d5 exd5 12. exd5 Bxd5 13. O-O-O Qb7 14. Bb5
>O-O-O 15. Rxd5 1-0
>
>
>On July 26, 1998 at 09:20:22, SEAN EVANS wrote:
>
>>The "Twelve (12) Year Old Child" writes,
>>
>>Let's face it, we know humans cannot beat Micros on fast time controls!
>>
>>We do know that Anand won the *real* match on long time controls as follows;
>>
>>Anand 1.5
>>
>>Rebel 0.5
>>
>>Yes that is correct Anand *beat* Rebel rather soundly, looks like Rebel is a
>>*long* way from being the micro Grandmaster.
>>
>>The fast time controls were just played so Shroeder could claim a victory for
>>his "crappy" DOS platform program, to increase his sales. If all the games had
>>been on long time controls I do not believe Rebel would have won a single game.
>>
>>Your friend in Computer Chess,
>>
>>The Apostle Sean
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