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Subject: Re: Where is now 64 bits Intel's computer?

Author: leonid

Date: 05:19:56 05/18/02

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On May 18, 2002 at 00:08:00, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On May 17, 2002 at 15:18:40, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
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>>On May 16, 2002 at 19:43:24, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On May 16, 2002 at 11:28:17, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 16, 2002 at 06:22:48, leonid wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 15, 2002 at 18:50:39, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On May 15, 2002 at 18:39:54, leonid wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On May 15, 2002 at 17:41:07, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On May 11, 2002 at 11:57:34, leonid wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Recently I read a lot of discussion about new coming AMD's 64 bits chip. But
>>>>>>>>>what is the situation with last Intel's 64 bits chip? Where he is now? Do
>>>>>>>>>somebody really use this chip?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>Leonid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>There bloody expencive!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Here's a link to IBM.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=2072508&smrfnbr=2072488&cntrfnbr=107824&cgmenbr=24188&cntry=840&lang=en_US&scrfnbr=126
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You may have to copy and paste this link!;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks for link!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>To my surprise Intel 64 bits chip is real and can be bought in few computers. It
>>>>>>>is true that price look like too high for me (15000 - 16000$), when its Mhz is
>>>>>>>too low. Still only 800 Mhz. Will be nice to see some miracle from Intel in
>>>>>>>order to push price down and Mhz up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Leonid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is first generation IA64 from intel at 800Mhz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It is a very primitive CPU IMHO compared to their new chip, also
>>>>>>this 800Mhz thing is very cheap compared to the new 1.2Ghz chip,
>>>>>>considering the market they target at.
>>>>>
>>>>>You want to say that last chip is even more expensive? So, no hope to have it!
>>>>>
>>>>>Still it could be that in the next few years Intel will find its way to produce
>>>>>some accessible chip. I do remember that first and slow Pentium was also
>>>>>expensive.
>>>>>
>>>>>Leonid.
>>>>
>>>>please do not compare mass market P5 cpu which was made to produce as
>>>>many as possible from them for a cheap price having a decent performance,
>>>>with a supercomputer chip where nothing gets sacraficed in order to
>>>>get a better performance.
>>>>
>>>>it's like a small car versus a formula 1 car.
>>>>
>>>>Also new generation formula 1 cars will be out of my budget, i'm
>>>>pretty sure of that.
>>>>
>>>>Apart from that, how to drive with it on the normal road?
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't follow this line of reasoning.  _all_ "chips" are made with one
>>
>>Yeah right because you can afford these chips :)
>>
>>>purpose in mind:  "sell as many as possible".  You don't design a chip for
>>>a very small market, and hope to make any money for it.  That is why the Cray
>>>didn't use a "chip" at all.  You design a chip so that the R&D cost can be
>>>amortized over a bunch of individual chip sales to drive the cost down.  IE
>>>chips are definitely "mass market" items.  Not one-off things...
>>
>>A machine that's getting sold for around $20000 for a 2 processor version,
>>that's a bit out of my range.
>>
>>Probably is for most persons.
>
>The same thing was said when the 80386 came out and everyone was running
>286's...
>
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>>
>>Most can't even afford even a dual intel 2.53Ghz Xeon thing. Lucky
>>that it is hell slower than a dual MP 1.6Ghz (MP1900) which you can
>>buy here now in the shops for half of the price of the above thing.
>>
>>A machine in the price range up to $2500 i consider expensive but
>>that is for some of us possible.
>>
>>A machine price range $20000 for just 2 processor 1.2Ghz (where > 1.6Ghz
>>is the standard now) is just too expensive.
>>
>
>
>Just wait a few more years.  64 bit machines will be at the price point
>of 32 bit machines today, and you will be saying "who needs these new
>expensive 128 bit cpus?"

Thanks! You make me really feel better. It is already for good 5 years that I
wait for 64 bits chip that never come. I do remember that 32 bits chip was also
slow to appear but finally it is now everywhere.

>:)
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>>>>>>>>Terry



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