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Subject: Re: Would Genius 3 be crushed or not?(on equal hardware, vs. todays tops?)

Author: stuart taylor

Date: 03:10:02 05/20/02

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On May 20, 2002 at 01:27:15, Uri Blass wrote:

>On May 19, 2002 at 19:47:00, stuart taylor wrote:
>
>>On May 19, 2002 at 13:15:44, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On May 19, 2002 at 11:31:27, stuart taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>>That's one of the most important questions, for me.
>>>>Would Genius 3 ever a) be beaten uniformly in every single game? b)Or atleast
>>>>would it never win?
>>>>If that has not yet been achieved, is it ALMOST achieved by now?
>>>
>>>I do not think that it almost achieved.
>>>
>>>A program may even beat another program that is 400 elo better in a single game.
>>>
>>>Genius3 is clearly better than being 400 elo weaker than the top programs.
>>>
>>>I guess that Genius3 is going to have chances to win against the top programs at
>>>least in the next few years.
>>>
>>>A candidate master always has chances to beat grandmaster in a single game when
>>>the opponents are humans.
>>>
>>>I see no reason to expect different things from chess programs.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>I think it is not the same with chess programs, and as an example, Chess genius
>>2 beat turbo King 2 at every single game (CG2 was on a 386/33). And that turbo
>>King had been beating many other programs most of the time, e.g. Psion by R.
>>Lang, CM2100, Zarkov, Novag scorpio! But come Chess Genius 2 on a 386 33mhz, and
>>it lost every single game even at time odds, and even when started in a bad
>>position to CG2 against TK in a good position, in middle of a game.
>>S.Taylor
>
>I know that an old piece square table of my program that should probably not
>have more than elo rating of 2000 could beat Nejmet3.05 that should probably
>have rating of more than 2400.
>
>Nejmet3.05 also could beat Fritz7.
>
>I believe that there are programs at the same level of turbo king 2 that can
>beat genius3 in a single game.
>
>It is possible that there are 2 programs when one can always beat the other
>program but I do not believe that you can decide about it based on the
>difference in rating.
>
>Uri

The interesting thing is that Novag Scorpio did NOT lose every game to Genius 2,
and maybe not even to Genius 3, on 386/33. But Turbo King which had a plus score
against the Novag was absolutely crushed in every way every time by the Genius,
even Genius 2 on a 386/33.
 Every new thing Turbo King tried was immeadiately exposed by Genius to be
inferior.
So I feel that it takes less than 700 in comp. comp games to get total
domination, perhaps, even if not 400.
I mean, comp. comp. ratings have always been constantly re-evaluated.
S.Taylor



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