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Subject: Re: Bitboard question

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 18:17:35 05/26/02

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On May 26, 2002 at 18:48:11, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On May 26, 2002 at 18:15:41, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On May 26, 2002 at 16:07:41, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On May 25, 2002 at 18:02:45, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 25, 2002 at 17:29:03, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>you know very little from programming GCP.
>>>>
>>>>I know Sjeng can do it :)
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>GCP
>>>
>>>then you can do more than Bob and all of his advisors
>>>could imagine about a year ago in extensive discussions
>>>where i showed what bitboards CANNOT easily do.
>>>
>>>This was no problem for bob as he doesn't believe in
>>>knowledge. He believes in a bit of crude/rude/crafty
>>>knowledge which then has to search zillions of nodes
>>>a second.
>>>
>>>Most likely you do something simplistic which is rude
>>>and not accurate.
>>>
>>>Be happy with it.
>>>
>>>For DIEP that accuracy is not enough.
>>>
>>>That's why i can't use bitboards. Not at 64 bits not at 32 bits.
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>Vincent
>>
>>
>>I have said this before, I will say it again.  Bitboards are mathematically
>>provable to be just as good as any other chess board representation.  Think
>>about it for a minute and you will understand why.  There is nothing you can
>>do with your offset (mailbox) board representation that I can't do with
>>bitboards, and vice-versa...
>
>As proven a year ago it is over 3 to 4 times slower to do certain
>things using pure bitboards. The word impossible is not good then,
>but the word 'not a smart datastructure to use' is more valid, though
>for me it comes down to the same.
>
>Best regards,
>Vincent

Bitboards are also _better_ in many cases also.  I _still_ believe is it a
"wash" until 64 bit hardware is prevalent.  Then bitmaps will have a performance
advantage overall.




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