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Subject: Re: Calculating Computer Ratings????(questions about Junior)

Author: blass uri

Date: 23:04:43 07/29/98

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On July 30, 1998 at 00:48:21, Shaun Graham wrote:

>  How are computer chess program ratings calculated, what is the formula?
>It has occurred to me that perhaps it makes no sense to calculate computer
>ratings in the way that human ratings are calculated.  It's hard to describe my
>point so i will give an example.
>
>A human rated 2200(base rating) plays a tournament of ten games, after the
>tournament his rating is calculated to be 2280.  Arriving at this calculation
>his initial rating of 2200 was used.  In his next tournament of ten games his
>rating is calculated to be 2320.  To arrive at this rating 2280 was used in the
>base calculation.  This seems to work for humans because you can hypothesize
>improvement thus a new base rating works, but for computers it seems as if
>having a new base rating may be problematic because their is no so called
>"improvement".  In a way it seems to me that it all works fine and I know the
>rating is supposed to just measure performance but i just have an intuitive feel
>that there should be a difference in the calculations.
>
>Another problem that i have is that say i have 50 tourney games played, and i
>calculate the rating in ten game increments.  I use the new rating achieved
>after each ten as the base to do my calculation.  my final rating is different
>than if i acted as if all the games happened in one tournament.  Perhaps i'm
>screwing the calculation?
>
>
>I have hypothesized that to calculate the rating of a program based upon all the
>games played at once you should use the provisional formula
>
>For example Chessmaster 5555 on Kai Luebke's web page
>"http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Ring/8448/chessindex2.html" in 40/2 games

I looked at the games and I do not understand why Junior4.6 as white
was never out of book in its game against and did a draw.

The game was:
1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxe4 Bf5 5.Ng3 Bg6 6.Nf3 Nd7 7.h4 h6
8.h5 Bh7 9.Bd3 Bxd3 10.Qxd3 Qc7 11.Rh4 e6 12.Bf4 Qa5+ 13.Bd2 Qc7
14.Bf4 Qa5+ 15.Bd2 Qc7 16.Bf4

Junior4.6 as an annotator of a game between Nimzo98 and Fritz5.01:
"White has lost his nerve... understandable when you consider his position"

2 mistakes:
1)White is a computer program so it has no nerves
2)should be its position and not his

Is the shuvinist "his"  a word of Junior4.6 or maybe a word of Fritz5(using
Junior4.6 as an engine for it)?

Uri
>has won 29 games, drawn 13, lost 11 games.  I gave a flat rating of 2400 to all
>opponents
>
>the calculation went as follows [(29wins * 2400)+(29wins*400)] + [(13draws * 0)+
>(13draws * 2400)] + [(11Loss * 2400)-(11Loss * 400)] = 2535(Chessmaster is a
>MONSTER)
>
>This is the standard uscf formula of adding 400 points to opponents ratings for
>wins, and subtracting 400 for losses, then dividing by the number of games
>played for a provisional rating.
>
>The opponents were Rebel9 & 8, Mchess 7, Fritz 5, Hiarcs 4 & 6, crafty 14.8,
>Junior 4.6, and Genius 5.



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