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Subject: Re: Algorithms vs. knowledge - What to do next?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 05:50:35 06/04/02

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On June 04, 2002 at 07:11:20, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On June 04, 2002 at 02:11:40, Russell Reagan wrote:
>
>To speak for diep in i-csvn2, on average i was outsearched
>by 3 ply by the commercial programs i played there.
>
>Even The King (Chessmaster) nowaday searches deeper than it used to do.
>It got like 12 ply now where it in past times would have gotten
>9 ply at same hardware.
>
>One game it lost and not because it was outsearched but by its own stupidiness.
>
>I wasn't feeling bad for getting outsearched. Instead i saw so many times
>my score go up at for example 11 ply with a certain mainline. Then after
>making my move opponent needed a huge number of plies more to get a fail
>low and get to the same move.
>
>Nullmove is a great enhancement of nowadays programs, but i get impression
>most just prune too much. Also all preprocessors i play against get
>completely annihilated. It is clear that the glory times of preprocessing
>and getting a few ply more instead, that those days are over.
>
>Nevertheless i get impression that most here do not know what is happening
>last year. Last years we have seen no new ideas which were giving a
>search speedup like nullmove, hashtables and alfabeta have given.
>
>Instead everyone worked at his evaluation bigtime.

I have ideas how to improve the search speed but I decided in the near future to
think about the evaluation.

It does not mean writing a lot of source code but thinking how to do the biggest
improvement in evaluation by relatively small changes.

Uri



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