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Subject: Re: Chess Tiger 15 vs Fritz7

Author: stuart taylor

Date: 18:05:11 06/10/02

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On June 10, 2002 at 15:28:14, Rajen Gupta wrote:

>i have read somewhere (i think it was hinted in one of the interviews which
>frank morsch gave to one of the indian newspapers)that at any given time, there
>are several different versions of fritz being developed:- the inference being
>that and the one that is actually released is not necessarily the strongest one;
>its the one that is just strong enough.
>
>frank morsch apparently has one ready whenever a new upstart arrives on the
>scene.i wont be surprised if there is no new fritz till something overtakes the
>current version.
>
>rajen
I mean, in a match of a series of games against junior 7, Fritz almost always
lost the first few, then recovered and overtook, during the match.
S .Taylor
>
>On June 10, 2002 at 09:05:14, stuart taylor wrote:
>
>>On June 10, 2002 at 05:12:12, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>
>>>On June 09, 2002 at 23:07:04, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 09, 2002 at 22:22:55, john rice wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hello,
>>>>>With Tiger 14 already so close to Fritz7 in strength, isn't it safe to assume
>>>>>Tiger 15 will be significantly stronger?
>>>>>JR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Actually I'm expecting Fritz7 to fall under Chess Tiger 14 in the next SSDF
>>>>list. After all Fritz has already lost 20 elo points in the last list. Only 8
>>>>points left, and Tiger 14 is back at the top spot. :)
>>>>
>>>>Then why release Tiger 15? :) :)
>>>>
>>>>Just kidding of course. Fritz7 is a terrific engine and Frans has done as usual
>>>>a great job. We will see if Tiger 15 can do better. I hope so, but who knows?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Christophe
>>>
>>>You are really a honest man - no standard bullshit about >50 points
>>>improvements...
>>>
>>>Jouni
>>
>>Yes, he IS. It seems to be a principle by him. Sometimes it's humorously modest.
>>I really do hope that Tiger 15 will clearly edge out everything previous,
>>including Fritz, but I also get the feeling that Fritz has edged out all others
>>which are below it. Yes there are others which are very close, but I see, also
>>from other tests at other time levels (and non ssdf) that Fritz seems to be a
>>clear leader, so that if you have only one program and you want to get the
>>truest analysis of a position from a program, then the latest Fritz is the
>>answer.
>>
>>The only problem I did feel about Fritz 7 at the beginning, was that when
>>matched with Junior 7, Junior always crushed Fritz in the first few games, until
>>Fritz recovered and overtook it. So I thought that Fritz was only good because
>>of the learning feature. It WAS strange to me.
>>No one ever answered that up to me.
>>S.Taylor



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