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Subject: Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 15:18:10 07/09/02

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On July 09, 2002 at 18:06:39, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On July 09, 2002 at 17:44:32, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On July 09, 2002 at 17:37:47, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>>I agree that you can define null move pruning as extensions of the moves that
>>>>are not pruned but this is not what they did.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>
>>>How can you make that statement?  They extended the moves they thought
>>>important to extend.  Null-move trims the depth on the moves it considers
>>>to be bad.
>>>
>>>They are the _same_...  The effect is exactly the same...
>>
>>The moves that they extended were not the moves that null move search suggest
>>that they may be good so the effect is not the same.
>>
>>Uri
>
>So?  You suggest that null-move is correct.  I don't believe that at all.
>Neither did Hsu.  Null-move makes mistakes.  We just accept them because we
>like the overall effect.  It is _certainly_ possible to extend the right moves
>and have fewer errors than null move which cuts off moves that appear to be
>bad when they are not, or allows them to be searched when they should not be.

Null move without zunzwang verification does mistakes but their search did more
mistakes.

I agree that it is possible to do something better but they did not do it.
They did not decide to extend moves if the move has a threat.

They had different extensions rules.

Uri



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