Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 15:13:21 07/13/02
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On July 13, 2002 at 11:44:44, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>On July 12, 2002 at 23:26:55, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On July 12, 2002 at 18:41:11, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>
>>>On July 12, 2002 at 18:07:16, John Merlino wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 12, 2002 at 18:00:04, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 12, 2002 at 17:52:53, John Merlino wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On July 12, 2002 at 17:12:45, Mustafa wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>as i saw games of Nemth and from this position no engine can beat a good human
>>>>>>>chess player here is the main position...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>[D]r2q1rk1/p2b1pp1/2nb4/1pp1pPPQ/3pP3/1P4NN/P1P3P1/R3KB1R b KQ - 0 16
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>now a good 1900 player here can white by white no program as black can stop the
>>>>>>>win even fritz 7 try people any program Black will lose the game try as much as
>>>>>>>u want.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This position is already lost, so what's the point? As a matter of fact,
>>>>>>Chessmaster 9000 announces Mate in 11 after 1:27 on my PIII-600:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Time Depth Score Positions Moves
>>>>>>0:00 1/3 -1.99 2996 16...Qa5+ 17.Kf2 Qc3 18.Bd3 Nb4
>>>>>>0:00 1/4 -1.73 10317 16...Qa5+ 17.Kf2 Qc3 18.Bd3 g6
>>>>>> 19.Qh6 Nb4
>>>>>>0:01 1/5 0.00 72073 16...Qa5+ 17.Kd1 Qc3 18.Nf4 Qxa1+
>>>>>> 19.Kd2 Qc3+ 20.Kd1 f6 21.Qh8+ Kf7
>>>>>> 22.Qh5+ Kg8
>>>>>>0:02 1/6 2.60 174619 16...Qa5+ 17.Kd1 g6 18.fxg6 Bg4+
>>>>>> 19.Qxg4 Qc3 20.Rc1 a6 21.Qh5
>>>>>>0:09 1/7 2.92 617517 16...Qa5+ 17.Kd1 g6 18.fxg6 Bg4+
>>>>>> 19.Qxg4 Ne7 20.Nf5 Nxf5 21.Qxf5 Qc3
>>>>>>0:28 1/8 17.73 2411472 16...Qa5+ 17.Kd1 f6 18.g6 Rfe8
>>>>>> 19.Nf4 Kf8 20.Nd5 Be6 21.Qh8+ Bg8
>>>>>> 22.Nxf6 Nb8 23.Qxg8+ Ke7 24.Qxe8+
>>>>>> Kxf6 25.Rh5 Qd2+ 26.Kxd2
>>>>>>1:27 1/9 Mate11 6820409 16...Qa5+ 17.Kd1 f6 18.g6 Rfe8
>>>>>> 19.Nf4 Kf8 20.Nd5 Be6 21.Qh8+ Bg8
>>>>>> 22.Nxf6 Nb8 23.Qxg8+ Ke7 24.Qxe8+
>>>>>> Kxf6 25.Rh5 Qd2+ 26.Kxd2 Bc7 27.Qf7#
>>>>>>2:17 1/10 Mate11 10941905 16...Qa5+ 17.Kd1 f6 18.g6 Rfe8
>>>>>> 19.Nf4 Kf8 20.Nd5 Be6 21.Qh8+ Bg8
>>>>>> 22.Nxf6 Nb8 23.Qxg8+ Ke7 24.Qxe8+
>>>>>> Kxf6 25.Rh5 Qd2+ 26.Kxd2 Bc7 27.Qf7#
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So I would say that, by your definition, an even MORE perfect position, and one
>>>>>>that you should REALLY strive for when playing a computer, would be this one
>>>>>>(for example):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[D]rn6/p5p1/3bQkP1/1pp1pP1R/4P3/1P1p2N1/P1PK2P1/R4B2 b - -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>jm
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, the Chessmaster is in tactical positions the BEST program, an the CM see
>>>>>ever (german: immer) first all such mates!
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>Eduard
>>>>
>>>>Thank you for saying so. However, were you not also able to beat Chessmaster
>>>>using the same methods as against all the other programs?
>>>>
>>>>jm
>>>
>>>Hello Jim,
>>>
>>>I have only the Chessmaster 6000. But I know that the CM 8000 play better than
>>>CM 6000 with the best settings. CM 8000 won on the Fritz 7 server one CSS
>>>Tournament with M. Pillen settings (I think)!
>>>
>>>ok.
>>>
>>>here 3 from my games against CM 6000, CM6555:
>>>
>>>
>>>[Event "Blitz30',64Mb,P600"]
>>>[Site "?"]
>>>[Date "2001.??.??"]
>>>[Round "?"]
>>>[White "Nemeth, E."]
>>>[Black "CM6555"]
>>>[ECO "C26"]
>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>
>>>1. e4 Nf6 2. Nc3 e5 3. h4 Bb4 4. a3 Bxc3 5. dxc3 d6 6. Bd3
>>>O-O 7. Bg5 h6 8. Nh3 hxg5 9. hxg5 Bg4 10. f3 Bxh3 11. Rxh3
>>>Nfd7 12. f4 g6 13. Qg4 Kg7 14. f5 Rg8 15. Rh7+ Kf8 16. Bc4
>>>d5 17. Bxd5 Nc5 18. O-O-O Qd7 19. Rxf7+ Qxf7 20. Bxf7 Kxf7
>>>21. fxg6+ Ke7 22. Qf5 Rf8 23. Qxe5+ Ne6 24. g7 Nd7
>>>25. gxf8=Q+ Rxf8 26. Qd5 Nb6 27. Qxb7 Rg8 28. Rh1 Rg7
>>>29. Qxa7 Rxg5 30. Rh7+ Kd6 31. Rxc7 Nxc7 32. Qxb6+ Kd7
>>>33. Qd4+ Kc8 34. Qd2 Rg4 35. Qe2 Rg7 36. Qf3 Rg5 37. Qf5+
>>>Rxf5 38. exf5 Kd7 39. a4 Ke7 40. b4 Kf6 41. g4 Nd5 42. a5
>>>Nxc3 43. a6 Nb5 44. c4 Na7 45. b5 Nc8 46. a7 Nxa7 47. b6
>>>Nc6 48. b7 Kg5 49. Kd2 Kf6 50. Ke3 Ke5 51. Kf2 Nb8 52. Kg3
>>>Nd7 53. Kh4 Kf6 54. Kh5 Ke5 55. Kg6 Kd6 56. Kg7 Kc7 57. f6
>>>Kxb7 58. c5 Nxc5 59. g5 Kc6 60. f7 Ne6+ 61. Kf6 Kd6 62. g6
>>>Kd5 63. g7 Nxg7 64. Kxg7 Kd4 65. f8=Q 1-0
>>
>>Same theme. Black self-impales himself at move 8...
>>
>>trojan-horse attack
>
>Hello Robert,
>
>You are right...
>but games with trojan-attak are not all what I says in my artikles!
>
>Hier my message on my website in german (sorry for my bad englsh).
>
>
>http://f50.parsimony.net/forum200775/messages/312.htm
>
>to John Merlino: sorry John, I woult write John but I write Jim :(
>Sorry for this mistake!
>
>
I understand. IE the stonewall is another common anti-computer weapon that
I have done my best to eliminate. I am sure there will be "others" that
come along, although they are getting harder and harder to come up with.
>
>Eduard
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>[Event "Blitz30',64Mb,P600"]
>>>[Site "?"]
>>>[Date "2001.??.??"]
>>>[Round "?"]
>>>[White "Nemeth, E."]
>>>[Black "CM6555"]
>>>[ECO "B21"]
>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>
>>>1. e4 c5 2. d4 cxd4 3. h3 Nc6 4. Bc4 Nf6 5. Na3 Nxe4
>>>6. Bxf7+ Kxf7 7. Qh5+ Ke6 8. Qg4+ Kd5 9. c4+ dxc3 10. f3
>>>Nd6 11. Ne2 Nb8 12. Bf4 Kc6 13. Bxd6 Kxd6 14. Nb5+ Kc6
>>>15. Qc4+ Kb6 16. Nexc3 e6 17. Na4+ Ka5 18. Nbc3 Qb6
>>>19. Nxb6 Kxb6 20. Qxc8 1-0
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>[Event "Blitz30' Stuttgart"]
>>>[Site "?"]
>>>[Date "2001.??.??"]
>>>[Round "?"]
>>>[White "Nemeth, Eduard"]
>>>[Black "CM6000"]
>>>[ECO "B23"]
>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>
>>>1. e4 {64MB, Nimzo8.ctg. P600} c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. d3 e6
>>>4. Bd2 d5 5. b3 Nf6 6. g3 d4 7. Nb1 Bd6 8. h4 O-O 9. Bg5 h6
>>>10. Nh3 hxg5 11. hxg5 Qa5+ 12. Nd2 Nh7 13. Qh5 g6 14. Qh6
>>>Qc7 15. Nf4 f6 16. Nxg6 Rf7 17. f4 fxg5 18. e5 Bf8 19. Nxf8
>>>Rxf8 20. Ne4 gxf4 21. gxf4 Qg7 22. Qh2 Qe7 23. O-O-O Rf7
>>>24. Be2 Kh8 25. Nf6 Bd7 26. Rdg1 Nxe5 27. fxe5 Bc6 28. Qg3
>>>Rxf6 29. exf6 Qxf6 30. Rxh7+ Kxh7 31. Qc7+ Bd7 32. Qxd7+
>>>Kh8 33. Rh1+ Kg8 34. Qh7+ Kf8 35. Rf1 Qxf1+ 36. Bxf1 1-0
>>>
>>>Here it was not Nimzo-book (I saved only the game under Fritz). I plays under
>>>GUI from CM 6000.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Eduard
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