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Subject: Re: To Bob Hyatt on GM vs computer Games

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:37:15 08/09/98

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On August 09, 1998 at 09:46:18, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On August 09, 1998 at 09:35:08, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>
>>On August 09, 1998 at 08:48:42, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On August 09, 1998 at 07:22:45, Amir Ban wrote:
>>
>>>>According to the pgn the first five were 5+3, and the others 15+15, 15+3, 15+15,
>>>>20+5, 20+10.
>>>>
>>>>In the short 5 the score was 5-0 to crafty. In the longer 5 the score was
>>>>2.5-2.5.
>>>>
>>>>Seems like a definite trend.
>>
>>>I didn't notice the times in the pgn either...  the last 30 games or so
>>>between Kim and Crafty are all 20 10...  with the results I had previously
>>>summarized...  I just wrote a short shell script to extract the first N
>>>games from the last 2 months history...  I'll grab some more this afternoon
>>>and only include 20 10...
>>
>>According to search, only the last 11 games are standard.  The 11th was a draw,
>>here are the other ten summarized, which does show +7 - 2 =1.
>>
>>   0  2551 crafty     2437 Kingway    1-0 [ sr 20  10] B13 Res 03-Aug-98
>>   1  2449 Kingway    2537 crafty     0-1 [ sr 20  10] D31 Res 02-Aug-98
>>   2  2535 crafty     2462 Kingway     =  [ sr 20  10] B23  NM 01-Aug-98
>>   3  2458 Kingway    2539 crafty     1-0 [ sr 20  10] B40 Res 01-Aug-98
>>   4  2560 crafty     2437 Kingway    1-0 [ sr 20  10] C15 Res 01-Aug-98
>>   5  2569 crafty     2473 Kingway    1-0 [ sr 20  10] C01 Fla 26-Jul-98
>>   6  2486 Kingway    2593 crafty     0-1 [ sr 20  10] C48 Res 23-Jul-98
>>   7  2508 Kingway    2559 crafty     1-0 [ sr 20   5] B40 Res 19-Jul-98
>>   8  2551 crafty     2485 Kingway    1-0 [ sr 15  15] A44 Res 06-Jul-98
>>   9  2526 crafty     2499 Kingway    0-1 [ sr 15  15] C05 Res 05-Jul-98
>>
>>Here are the last ten, so if you got something different than that, either ICC
>>made a mistake with the time control tag (unlikely but not completely
>>impossible) or Bob messed up with his script (more likely).
>>
>>Kingway is a good opponent, he is willing to put some time into the games.
>>
>>bruce
>
>
>I figured out I had screwed up after Amir pointed out the time controls.  I
>had watched several of these, and wasn't aware that Kim was also tossing in
>a blitz game here and there.  So my script just extracted "Kingway" games
>without looking...
>
>However, my search and your search produce slightly different results for
>some reason:
>
>aics% search +=crafty kingway standard
>Your search found 7 games: [5 0 2 = (white win,draw,black win)]
>   0  2551 crafty     2437 Kingway    1-0 [ sr 20  10] B13 Res 03-Aug-98
>   1  2449 Kingway    2537 crafty     0-1 [ sr 20  10] D31 Res 02-Aug-98
>   2  2560 crafty     2437 Kingway    1-0 [ sr 20  10] C15 Res 01-Aug-98
>   3  2569 crafty     2473 Kingway    1-0 [ sr 20  10] C01 Fla 26-Jul-98
>   4  2486 Kingway    2593 crafty     0-1 [ sr 20  10] C48 Res 23-Jul-98
>   5  2551 crafty     2485 Kingway    1-0 [ sr 15  15] A44 Res 06-Jul-98
>   6  2524 crafty     2479 Kingway    1-0 [ sr 15   7] C15 Res 05-Oct-97
>
>aics% search -=crafty kingway standard
>Your search found 4 games: [3 0 1 = (white win,draw,black win)]
>   0  2458 Kingway    2539 crafty     1-0 [ sr 20  10] B40 Res 01-Aug-98
>   1  2508 Kingway    2559 crafty     1-0 [ sr 20   5] B40 Res 19-Jul-98
>   2  2526 crafty     2499 Kingway    0-1 [ sr 15  15] C05 Res 05-Jul-98
>   3  2494 Kingway    2509 crafty     1-0 [ sr 15   7] B40 Res 04-Oct-97
>
>
>aics% search crafty kingway standard draw
>Your search found 2 games: [0 2 0 = (white win,draw,black win)]
>   0  2535 crafty     2462 Kingway     =  [ sr 20  10] B23  NM 01-Aug-98
>   1  2480 Kingway    2545 crafty      =  [ sr 15   3] D31  NM 05-Jul-98
>
>so +7, -4, =2 if I didn't blow up the
>search command...

Here are the standard games I have.  I probably lost a couple
when my email was broken a couple of weeks ago...

[Event "ICC 15 3 07/05/1998"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "1998.07.05"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Kingway"]
[Black "crafty"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2477"]
[BlackElo "2548"]
[ECO "D31"]
[NIC "QP.08"]
[LongECO "QGD: Charousek (Petrosian) variation"]

 1. d4 d5        2. c4 e6        3. Nc3 Be7      4. cxd5 exd5    5. Qc2 Nc6
 6. Bf4 Nxd4     7. Qa4+ Nc6     8. O-O-O Nf6    9. e4 Bd7      10. exd5 Ne5
11. Bb5 Ng6     12. Bg5 O-O     13. Bxf6 Bxb5   14. Bxe7 Bxa4   15. Bxd8 Bxd1
16. Bxc7 Bg4    17. f3 Rac8     18. Bg3 Bd7     19. Ne2 Rfe8    20. Kd2 Ne7
21. Nd4 Rc4     22. Kd3 Rb4     23. b3 Nf5      24. Nce2 Nxg3   25. hxg3 Rb6
26. g4 Rd6      27. Nc3 b5      28. b4 a6       29. a3 f6       30. Rc1 Re7
31. Rd1 h6      32. Nb3 f5      33. gxf5 Bxf5+  34. Kd2 Kf7     35. Nc5 g5
36. Rf1 Be6     37. Nxe6 Rexe6  38. Kd3 Rd8     39. Kd4 Rc6     40. Kd3 Kg6
41. Ra1 Kf5     42. Re1 h5      43. Re4 h4      44. Kd2 Rcd6    45. Kd3 Rc8
46. Kd2 Rcc6    47. Kd3 Rd7     48. Kd2 Kg6     49. Kd3 Rd8     50. Kd2 Rf6
51. Kd3 h3      52. gxh3 Rxf3+  53. Kd4 Rc8     54. Re6+ Kh5    55. Rc6 Ra8
56. d6 Rxh3     57. Ne4 Rf3     58. Rc5 Rg8     59. d7 Rd8      60. Rxg5+ Kh4
61. Rd5 Rf7     62. Nc5 Re7     63. Nxa6 Rexd7  64. Rxd7 Rxd7+  65. Kc5 Rd3
66. Kxb5 Rxa3   67. Nc5 Rg3     68. Kc6 Rg6+    69. Kc7 Kg3     70. b5 Kh4
71. b6 Rxb6     72. Kxb6
{Game drawn because neither player has mating material} 1/2-1/2

[Event "ICC 15 15 07/05/1998"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "1998.07.05"]
[Round "-"]
[White "crafty"]
[Black "Kingway"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2545"]
[BlackElo "2480"]
[ECO "C05"]
[NIC "FR.17"]
[LongECO "French: Tarrasch, closed variation"]

 1. e4 e6        2. d4 d5        3. Nd2 Nf6      4. e5 Nfd7      5. c3 c5
 6. Bd3 Nc6      7. Ne2 a6       8. b3 b5        9. Nf3 Be7     10. Be3 c4
11. bxc4 bxc4   12. Bb1 Rb8     13. O-O Qa5     14. Ng5 h6      15. Nf3 Nb6
16. Qd2 Bd7     17. Bc2 Na7     18. Bf4 Ba4     19. Bxa4+ Nxa4  20. Rfc1 Nb5
21. Rab1 Kd7    22. Qe1 Na3     23. Rxb8 Rxb8   24. Bd2 Rb2     25. Ng3 Rxa2
26. Nh5 Bf8     27. Nf4 Qb5     28. Qf1 Rb2     29. Ne2 Rb1     30. Qe1 a5
31. Bf4 Qb2     32. Rd1 Qc2     33. Bc1 Nb5     34. Rd2 Qb3     35. g3 Naxc3
36. Kg2 Bb4     37. Qf1 a4      38. g4 a3       39. Nfg1 a2     40. Rxa2 Qxa2
41. h3 Qc2      42. g5 Nxe2     43. Nxe2 Nc3    44. gxh6 gxh6   45. Ng1 Rxc1
46. Qxc1
{White resigns} 0-1

[Event "ICC 15 15 07/06/1998"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "1998.07.06"]
[Round "-"]
[White "crafty"]
[Black "Kingway"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2537"]
[BlackElo "2499"]
[ECO "A44"]
[NIC "OI.09"]
[LongECO "Old Benoni defense"]

 1. d4 c5       2. d5 e5       3. c4 d6       4. e4 Be7      5. Nf3 Nd7
 6. Nc3 Ngf6    7. Be2 O-O     8. O-O Kh8     9. Ne1 Ne8    10. f4 exf4
11. Bxf4 Bg5   12. Qd2 Bxf4   13. Qxf4 Ne5   14. Nf3 Qe7    15. Nxe5 Qxe5
16. Qxe5 dxe5  17. Na4 b6     18. Nc3 Nd6    19. Rae1 Bd7   20. Bd3 f6
21. Re2 g6     22. Ref2 Kg7   23. Rf3 h5     24. Re3 h4     25. Be2 Rae8
26. b3 Re7     27. Nb1 f5     28. Nd2 f4     29. Rc3 g5     30. h3 Kf6
31. Kf2 Rg7    32. Bg4 Bxg4   33. hxg4 Ke7   34. Rh3 Ne8    35. Nb1 Nd6
36. Nc3 Kd7    37. Ke2 Kc7    38. Nb5+ Nxb5  39. cxb5 a6    40. bxa6 Ra8
41. a4 Rxa6    42. Rc3 Kd6    43. Rb1 Rc7    44. Rc4 Ra5    45. b4 Ra6
46. Kd3 cxb4   47. Rcxb4 Rb7  48. Ke2 Rb8    49. Rc1 b5     50. axb5 Rab6
51. Rc6+ Kd7   52. Rxb6 Rxb6  53. Kd3 Kd6    54. Kc4 Kc7
{Black resigns} 1-0

[Event "ICC 20 5 07/19/1998"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "1998.07.19"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Kingway"]
[Black "crafty"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2488"]
[BlackElo "2579"]
[ECO "B40"]
[NIC "SI.43"]
[LongECO "Sicilian defense"]

 1. e4 c5        2. Nf3 e6       3. d3 d5        4. Nbd2 Nc6     5. g3 Nf6
 6. Qe2 Qc7      7. Bg2 Nb4      8. Kd1 dxe4     9. Nxe4 Be7    10. Bf4 Qa5
11. Ne5 Nxa2    12. Nc4 Nc3+    13. bxc3 Qxa1+  14. Kd2 Nxe4+   15. Bxe4 Qa6
16. Qh5 g6      17. Qh6 Bf8     18. Qg5 Rg8     19. Rb1 f5      20. Bf3 h6
21. Qf6 Be7     22. Qe5 g5      23. Be3 g4      24. Bg2 Kd7     25. Bxc5 Bg5+
26. Be3 Bxe3+   27. fxe3 f4     28. Qxf4 Ke8    29. Qxh6 Rf8    30. Qg6+ Ke7
31. Qg5+ Ke8    32. Ke2 Rf5     33. Qg6+ Ke7    34. Qg7+ Rf7    35. Qxg4 Qa2
36. Rb2 Qa1     37. Qg5+ Kf8    38. Qc5+ Kg8    39. Qg5+ Kf8    40. Qd8+ Kg7
41. Rb5 Qxc3    42. Qg5+ Kf8    43. Qd8+ Kg7    44. Rg5+ Kh6    45. Qg8 Qf6
46. Be4 Qf2+    47. Kd1 Qg1+    48. Kd2 Rf2+    49. Kc3 Qa1+    50. Kb4 Qb1+
51. Kc5 Qb5+    52. Kxb5 Bd7+   53. Kc5 Rxg8    54. Rxg8 Rxc2   55. Kd6 Bc6
56. Bxc6 bxc6   57. h4 a5       58. Ne5 Kh7     59. Ra8 Rg2     60. g4 Rh2
61. h5 Rh3      62. e4 Kh6
{Black resigns} 1-0

[Event "ICC 20 10 07/26/1998"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "1998.07.26"]
[Round "-"]
[White "crafty"]
[Black "Kingway"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2556"]
[BlackElo "2486"]
[ECO "C01"]
[NIC "FR.01"]
[LongECO "French: exchange variation"]

 1. e4 e6        2. d4 d5        3. exd5 exd5    4. Nc3 c6       5. Nf3 Bf5
 6. Bd3 Bxd3     7. Qxd3 Bd6     8. O-O Ne7      9. Re1 Na6     10. Ng5 h6
11. Nf3 Nc7     12. Re2 Ne6     13. Bd2 Qc7     14. Ne5 Bxe5    15. Rxe5 O-O-O
16. a4 Rde8     17. Rae1 Qd7    18. Ne2 Ng6     19. Re3 Ng5     20. f3 Rxe3
21. Qxe3 Re8    22. Qb3 Ne6     23. Rc1 Ne7     24. a5 Nf5      25. Qd3 Nd6
26. b3 a6       27. c4 Kd8      28. cxd5 cxd5   29. Bb4 Nb5     30. Qd2 h5
31. Bc5 g6      32. Nf4 Nec7    33. b4 Kc8      34. Qc2 Kb8     35. Kh1 Ka8
36. Nd3 Qf5     37. Qd2 Ne6     38. Re1 Nec7    39. Rd1 h4      40. Nf2 g5
41. Nh3 f6      42. Bb6 Ne6     43. Re1 Ng7     44. Rc1 Rc8     45. Bc5 Re8
46. Qd1 Ne6     47. Qe1 Ng7     48. Qd2 Qe6     49. Qd3 Qf5     50. Qb3 Ne6
51. Re1 Nec7    52. Rg1 Ne6     53. Rd1 Nd8     54. Ng1 Nc6     55. Qb2 Kb8
56. Qd2 Kc8     57. Qc1 Kd7     58. Qb2 Re3     59. Rc1 Re6     60. Nh3 Re3
61. Kg1 Qd3     62. Nf2 Qf5     63. Rd1 Re8     64. Rf1 Re3     65. Ng4 Re6
66. Rd1 Qg6     67. Qb3 Qf5     68. Nh6
{Black forfeits on time} 1-0

[Event "ICC 20 10 08/01/1998"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "1998.08.01"]
[Round "-"]
[White "crafty"]
[Black "Kingway"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2549"]
[BlackElo "2448"]
[ECO "C15"]
[NIC "FR.08"]
[LongECO "French: Winawer, Alekhine (Mar\'oczy) gambit"]

 1. e4 e6       2. d4 d5       3. Nc3 Bb4     4. Ne2 Nf6     5. a3 Be7
 6. exd5 exd5   7. Ng3 Bg4     8. Be2 Bxe2    9. Qxe2 O-O   10. O-O Re8
11. Qf3 g6     12. Bg5 c6     13. Rfe1 Nbd7  14. Re3 Qb6    15. Rae1 Ne4
16. Ncxe4
{Black resigns} 1-0

[Event "ICC 20 10 08/01/1998"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "1998.08.01"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Kingway"]
[Black "crafty"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2437"]
[BlackElo "2560"]
[ECO "B40"]
[NIC "SI.43"]
[LongECO "Sicilian defense"]

 1. e4 c5        2. Nf3 e6       3. d3 d5        4. Nbd2 Nc6     5. g3 Bd6
 6. Qe2 Nge7     7. Bg2 O-O      8. c3 f5        9. O-O Ng6     10. Re1 Bd7
11. Nf1 f4      12. Bd2 dxe4    13. dxe4 Qe7    14. Rad1 Nce5   15. Nxe5 Bxe5
16. Bc1 Ba4     17. Rd2 Rf7     18. f3 Bf6      19. b3 fxg3     20. hxg3 Bc6
21. Bb2 e5      22. Ne3 Bg5     23. Nd5 Qf8     24. Rdd1 Rd8    25. c4 Rdd7
26. Rf1 Rd8     27. Bh3 Bd7     28. Bxd7 Rdxd7  29. Kg2 Be7     30. Rh1 Qe8
31. Rh5 Bd6     32. Rdh1 Nf8    33. Qd2 Qe6     34. Qa5 g6      35. Rh6 b6
36. Qc3 Rd8     37. R1h4 Qc8    38. f4 Re8      39. f5 Rd8      40. g4 Qa6
41. a4 Qc8      42. Qh3 Rg7     43. Kf3 Qb7     44. Bc1 gxf5    45. gxf5 Bb8
46. Rg4 Kh8     47. Bg5 Rdd7    48. Bf6 Rf7     49. Rxg7 Rxg7   50. Qg4 Qf7
51. Qxg7+ Qxg7  52. Bxg7+ Kxg7  53. Rc6 Kf7     54. Rc8 Bd6     55. Ra8 a5
56. Nxb6 Be7    57. Nd5 Nd7     58. Rxa5 Bd8
{Black resigns} 1-0

[Event "ICC 20 10 08/01/1998"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "1998.08.01"]
[Round "-"]
[White "crafty"]
[Black "Kingway"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2539"]
[BlackElo "2458"]
[ECO "B23"]
[NIC "SI.44"]
[LongECO "Sicilian: closed, 2...Nc6"]

 1. e4 c5        2. Nc3 Nc6      3. Nf3 e5       4. Bc4 d6       5. d3 h6
 6. O-O Nge7     7. Ne1 Ng6      8. f4 exf4      9. Bxf4 Nxf4   10. Rxf4 Ne5
11. Bb5+ Bd7    12. Bxd7+ Qxd7  13. d4 cxd4     14. Qxd4 Be7    15. Nd5 O-O
16. Nf3 Ng6     17. Rf5 Rac8    18. c3 b5       19. Qd3 Rb8     20. Rd1 Rfd8
21. Rf1 Rf8     22. Rf2 a5      23. c4 bxc4     24. Qxc4 Rfc8   25. Qf1 Bd8
26. b3 a4       27. Nd2 Ne5     28. Nc4 f6      29. Nxe5 dxe5   30. R5f3 Bb6
31. Nxb6 Rxb6   32. Rd3 Qb7     33. Qd1 axb3    34. Rxb3 Rxb3   35. Qxb3+ Qxb3
36. axb3 Rc1+   37. Rf1 Rc2     38. Rf2 Rc1+    39. Rf1 Rc2     40. Ra1 Rb2
41. Ra8+ Kf7    42. Rb8 h5      43. Rb7+ Kg6    44. h4 Kh6      45. Kh2 g6
46. Kg3 f5      47. Rb5 fxe4    48. Rxe5 Rxb3+  49. Kf4 e3      50. g3 Ra3
51. Re4 Rb3     52. Re7 Ra3     53. Rxe3 Rxe3   54. Kxe3 g5     55. hxg5+ Kxg5
56. Kd3 Kg4     57. Ke2 Kxg3    58. Kf1 Kh2     59. Kf2 h4      60. Kf3 Kg1
61. Kg4 Kf2     62. Kxh4
{Game drawn because neither player has mating material} 1/2-1/2

[Event "ICC 20 10 08/02/1998"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "1998.08.02"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Kingway"]
[Black "crafty"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2462"]
[BlackElo "2524"]
[ECO "D31"]
[NIC "QP.08"]
[LongECO "QGD: Charousek (Petrosian) variation"]

 1. d4 d5        2. c4 e6        3. Nc3 Be7      4. e3 Nf6       5. Nf3 O-O
 6. a3 Nbd7      7. Bd3 dxc4     8. Bxc4 c5      9. O-O Nb6     10. Bd3 cxd4
11. exd4 Nbd5   12. Re1 Nxc3    13. bxc3 b6     14. Bb2 Bb7     15. c4 Nd7
16. Qe2 Bd6     17. Rad1 Qf6    18. d5 Qh6      19. Bc1 Qh5     20. dxe6 Bxf3
21. Qxf3 Qxh2+  22. Kf1 fxe6    23. Qh3 Qxh3    24. gxh3 Bc5    25. Be3 Rf7
26. Be4 Raf8    27. Rd2 Bxa3
{White resigns} 0-1

[Event "ICC 20 10 08/03/1998"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "1998.08.03"]
[Round "-"]
[White "crafty"]
[Black "Kingway"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2539"]
[BlackElo "2449"]
[ECO "B13"]
[NIC "CK.02"]
[LongECO "Caro-Kann: Panov-Botvinnik attack"]

 1. e4 c6        2. d4 d5        3. exd5 cxd5    4. c4 e6        5. Nf3 Bb4+
 6. Nc3 Nc6      7. Bd3 Nf6      8. O-O O-O      9. Bg5 dxc4    10. Bxc4 Be7
11. Qd2 a6      12. Rfd1 b5     13. d5 bxc4     14. dxc6 Qc7    15. Nd4 Rd8
16. Qe2 e5      17. Nf3 Bg4     18. Qxc4 Bxf3   19. Rxd8+ Rxd8  20. Bxf6 Bxf6
21. gxf3 e4     22. Nd5 Qe5     23. c7 Rc8      24. Qxa6
{Black resigns} 1-0



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