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Subject: Re: Easy & Hard

Author: martin fierz

Date: 21:13:29 07/26/02

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On July 26, 2002 at 22:45:57, Slater Wold wrote:

>On July 26, 2002 at 18:14:08, Dieter Buerssner wrote:
>
>>On July 26, 2002 at 16:55:27, Slater Wold wrote:
>>
>>>On July 26, 2002 at 14:53:33, Dieter Buerssner wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 26, 2002 at 00:54:10, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>8/pR4pk/1b2p3/2p3p1/N1p5/7P/PP1r2P1/6K1 b - - 0 31
>>>>>
>>>>>The only move to make here is Rxb2.  The win is only about 10 moves away, and
>>>>>while some programs I tested find Rxb2, none have an impressive score.  And
>>>>>that's *if* they find it.
>>>>
>>>>What would be an impressive score?
>
>According to several GMs, Rxb2 is a forced win.

then again, several GMs can be wrong :-)

>The win is a bit deeper than the first position.  I would be impressed by a
>*correct* PV and any score, but a little dismayed with a 0.50 score.  Anything
>+1.50 or so would impress me.
>
>>You cited everything, but you did not answer my question.
>>
>>>>Is this won for black? I cannot see it ...
>>>Both postions are confirmed wins for black after Rxb2.
>>>
>>>One is deep and one is deeper.
>>
>>Cann you please show a sample (or even a convincing) winning line in the second
>>position after
>
>This was the annotation of the game (of the 2nd position):
>
>Tylkowski - Wojciechowski, Poznan City Championship, 1931
>1.f4 d5 2.e3 c5 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.Bb5 Bg4 5.O-O e6 6.d3 Be7 7.Nc3 d4 8.Nb1 Nf6 9.e4
>O-O 10.Bxc6 bxc6 11.c3 dxc3 12.Nxc3 Bxf3 13.Rxf3 Ng4 14.Kh1 Qd4 15.Qg1 Qxg1+
>16.Kxg1 Bd8 17.Be3 Nxe3 18.Rxe3 Bb6 19.Rd1 h6 20.e5 f6 21.exf6 Rxf6 22.Rf3 c4+
>23.d4 c5 24.d5 exd5 25.Rxd5 Kh7 26.Rd7 Rd8 27.Rb7 Rg6 28.Rg3 Rxg3 29.hxg3 Rd2
>30.Na4 (see diagram)
>30...Rxb2 31.Nxb2 c3 32.Rxb6 c4 33.Rb4 a5 34.Nxc4 c2 Without support on the
>fourth rank, 34.Rxc4 cxb2 35.a4 b1=Q+ etc. is pointless. 35.Nxa5 c1Q+ 36.Kh2 Qc5
>37.Rb2 (37.Ra4? Qh5+ and Qd1+, winning the rook, or 37.Rb3 Qxa5 38.a3? Qh5+ to
>the same effect, but after 37.Rb3 followed by Rf3, it is not entirely clear how
>Black will undo the fortress.) 37...Qxa5 38.g4 Qe1 39.g3 h5 40.gxh5 Kh6 and
>after 15 more moves, White resigned. The black King will now reach g4 and f3.
>
>It is regarded by several GM to be the "only move".
>
>>30...Rxb2 31. Nxb2 c3 32. Rxb6 c4 33. Rb4
>>
>>Regards,
>>Dieter

what is wrong with 33.Nxc4 c2 34. Rc6 c1=Q+ 35. Kh2 instead of 33.Rb4? do you
have anything on that too?
my personal belief is that the position looks ghastly for white there, but
computers know no fear - and i don't see any way black can win that.

aloha
  martin








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