Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 11:52:16 08/01/02
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On August 01, 2002 at 14:38:19, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: If a few programs have the Gm title then what i would do is next: organize a norm tournament for a lot of youth players. Especially knowing we have the whole dutch national youth selection in my club (with a few exceptions only) this is pretty cool. So then i take care i get a bunch of laptops with powersavings, and put the programs without permanent brain, with small hashtables and so on on the computer. Then we start the norm tournament. They'll kick butt. For example the standard rating from Erwin l'Ami at internet, also regurarly playing computers is about 2550 now. No i don't give away what his handle is. His very old handle is erwinlami, he was a lot younger then. He's 3000+ in blitz btw. I don't need to mention that 2550 standard rating at icc, at RAPID level already means he kills computers for breakfast at standard when you weaken them a little. The new generation of players like Marc Erwich, Erwin l'Ami, Jelmer Jens Jeroen Willemze, Frank Erwich, and hopefully i didn't forget too many within my club, they are very strong and tough players, simply because they are tactical 100x better than players from my age. I'm 28 now. They kick the hell out of me because they are tactical so much better! Some i make on paper a good chance against. In fact Erwin's previous rating was 2373 or something (fide). I was 2312 at that time. I scored 0 out of 3 chanceless in 2 hours a game level! *chanceless*. Imagine how easy it would get for the youth to get titles in all countries and even players like me, if computers are allowed to get titled. Right now only the very best can get GM title and each year the level you need to get it is tougher. A 2300 player from today in netherlands would have 2400 in 1995. There is no inflation. Instead the level has gone UP a lot! >On August 01, 2002 at 11:47:35, GuyHaworth wrote: > >>Did Hiarcs do enough to earn a GM norm, had it been carbon rather than silicon? > >For FIDE norms you have to apply to a number of things > a) the level of the games must be about 40 moves in 2 hours > and then 20 moves in 1 hour and then 30 minutes sudden death. >I am not sure the level of the games applied to this FIDE time requirement. >Also a bit faster than the above level is possible, but not much. > > b) the opponents must get from foreign countries, but they may not be > all from the same country. At least 1/3 of your opponents must be > from the other countries. However you need to count yourself too, > so in a 9 round event you need 4 foreign opponents from different > countries >I am sure this wasn't the case. > > c) at least half of your opponents, same rule like in b (so counting yourself) > must be at least IM and at least 1/3 must be GM. >Was this the case? > > d) your TPR must be > 2600. We talk about FIDE tpr. You may count your own > rating here too, to get the tpr lower. > > e) preferably 1 round a day, but at most 2. There are more requirements. > > f) official arbiters and definitely not sold games. >I am not sure it is possible to show this in this case. It is a vague >rule of course, considering there are norm tournaments. > > g) at least 9 games. Opponents without FIDE rating count for 2000. > >Ok then we didn't adress yet that computers don't have a FIDE rating of >course. Otherwise human players would have an easy time to get a title >by beating a few computers where they can ideally prepare for if they >want to (regrettably in some respects they never do, because they don't >get paid to BEAT the computer ever). > >The FIDE is very tough if one of the requirements aren't met. For example >my club member and last year also team member Erwin l'Ami. He's 17 years >old. FIDE 2438 rated. > >An IM norm of him wasn't recognized because from all the conditions, one >wasn't met: there were 3 foreign players instead of 4 in the group of 10. > >It's possible he has a GM norm before he has his IM title... > >Best regards, >Vincent > >>Does FIDE acknowledge such achievements, or not? >> >>How can Hiarcs (or any engine) accumulate norms over time ... by proving that it >>is the same program that accumulated the previous norms ... given that ... >> >>Hardware/software combinations have a habit of evolving and might ... to quote a >>phrase ... go down as well as up. >> >>g
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