Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 11:19:05 08/20/02
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On August 20, 2002 at 05:08:33, martin fierz wrote: >On August 20, 2002 at 04:41:35, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On August 20, 2002 at 04:24:30, Mike S. wrote: >> >>>On August 20, 2002 at 03:41:39, Dann Corbit wrote: >>> >>>>Pardon my ignorance, but was Süchting a GM? >>> >>>I don't think so. Karlsbad 1911 was a before-FIDE event, so there was no GM >>>title comparable to the present. But a line in the slav defence is named after >>>him, from a Karlsbad game. >>> >>>But he was strong enough to compete in the strongest tournaments of that time, >>>for example: >>> >>>Duesseldorf 1908 >>> >>> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 >>>1 Marshall,Frank James * ½ 1 ½ ½ 1 ½ 1 ½ 1 ½ 1 1 ½ 1 1 11.5/15 >>>2 Salwe,Georg ½ * ½ 1 ½ ½ 1 1 1 0 ½ ½ ½ 1 1 ½ 10.0/15 >>>3 Spielmann,Rudolf 0 ½ * 0 ½ 1 ½ 1 ½ ½ 1 1 0 1 1 1 9.5/15 >>>4 John,Walter ½ 0 1 * 0 ½ ½ 0 1 1 1 1 ½ 1 0 1 9.0/15 >>>5 Mieses,Jacques ½ ½ ½ 1 * 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 ½ ½ 0 8.5/15 >>>6 Brody,Miklos 0 ½ 0 ½ 0 * 1 0 1 ½ ½ 1 1 1 1 0 8.0/15 >>>7 Suechting,Hugo ½ 0 ½ ½ 0 0 * 1 ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ 1 1 7.5/15 52.00 >>>8 Johner,Paul 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 * 1 ½ ½ 1 1 ½ 1 0 7.5/15 51.25 >>>9 Treybal,Karel ½ 0 ½ 0 1 0 ½ 0 * ½ ½ ½ 1 ½ 1 ½ 7.0/15 >>>10 Jakob,A 0 1 ½ 0 1 ½ ½ ½ ½ * 0 0 ½ ½ ½ ½ 6.5/15 49.25 >>>11 Wolf,Heinrich ½ ½ 0 0 1 ½ ½ ½ ½ 1 * 0 ½ ½ 0 ½ 6.5/15 49.00 >>>12 Von Bardeleben,Curt 0 ½ 0 0 0 0 ½ 0 ½ 1 1 * 1 ½ ½ 1 6.5/15 41.75 >>>13 Przepiorka,Dawid 0 ½ 1 ½ 0 0 ½ 0 0 ½ ½ 0 * ½ 1 1 6.0/15 >>>14 Von Gottschall,Hermann ½ 0 0 0 ½ 0 ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ * 0 1 5.5/15 38.75 >>>15 Swiderski,Rudolf 0 0 0 1 ½ 0 0 0 0 ½ 1 ½ 0 1 * 1 5.5/15 36.75 >>>16 Fritz,Alexander 0 ½ 0 0 1 1 0 1 ½ ½ ½ 0 0 0 0 * 5.0/15 >> >>Did he ever win a major tournament or in some way distinguish himself in a way >>similar to what a GM would have to do today to get a GM norm? SCID has a rough >>calculation of his ELO at 2450, which would make him approximately an IM in his >>day. > >how does SCID get at this elo? by retrocomputing with results of players without >elo against players with elo? i find this quite interesting. nunn states that he >thinks suechting was worth 2100 elo on a good day with tail wind... this just >goes to show that such retrocomputed elo numbers are pretty much worthless! Nope, they have the same value as any other ELO numbers. They show how he would fare against other players in the pool of talent available at the time. (On average, of course). No connection whatsoever with some year 2002 IM's ELO of 2450, of course.
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