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Subject: Re: Chess Programmers -- take note: M. N. J. van Kervinck's Master's Thesis

Author: Tony Werten

Date: 13:11:09 08/20/02

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On August 20, 2002 at 15:08:13, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On August 20, 2002 at 15:02:32, Sune Fischer wrote:
>
>>On August 20, 2002 at 14:37:10, Russell Reagan wrote:
>>
>>>On August 20, 2002 at 11:15:37, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>>
>>>>True, so you also want to give masters to all the fans of football or basket
>>>>ball that knows _tons_ of stuff about that?
>>>
>>>I have heard Universities discuss creating degrees (bachelor degrees) in various
>>>sports. If someone can do a master's or PhD thesis related to chess, then there
>>>is no reason they couldn't do it on a sport. There are a great deal of strategy
>>>and tactical ideas in sports, just like there are in board games. I fail to see
>>>why you think this is such a laughable idea.
>>>
>>>Person A is a genius in programming and chess. This person does his required
>>>work, and recieves his master's and/or PhD.
>>>
>>>Person B is a genius in his sport. This person does the required work. If a
>>>university offers a degree in this sport, why shouldn't he recieve a master's or
>>>PhD? Just as there have been new ideas in computer chess and chess such as
>>>alpha-beta, null-move, etc. and revolutions of opening ideas in chess, the art
>>>of attacking, endgame play, and so on, there have been new ideas and schools of
>>>thought in sports as well. This sounds to me like a very intellectual subject.
>>>
>>>Also, I disagree that being a genius at one's sport is all physical. You can
>>>look at some of the best players in various sports throughout history, and not
>>>all of them were daunting physical specimens. Sure, some players have zero
>>>mental game and dominate due to their physical abilities, but even in a physical
>>>competition, there is a great amount of strategic and tactical thinking
>>>involved. I don't see why someone can't earn a master's degree in "basketball
>>>theory" or "basketball science" or whatever. Maybe it's just me though :)
>>
>>I would say that is stretching it too far: "there is a great amount of strategic
>>and tactical thinking involved", but even so then you have to write it down on
>>paper and do some research to show that it works, not enough to just have a bit
>>of fun in the ballpark ;)
>>
>>You _can_ get a master in athletics, but you don't have to be good at sports,
>>however you need to know alot of theory, how the body works, why does it get
>>tired, how do you train it, biorythms etc. That is of course different.
>>
>>Lot's of people know lots of things about some areas, to get the master you
>>write a thesis, with some original input.
>
>Euclid's "Elements" was completely unoriginal.  Just a catalog of existing
>ideas.  And yet, I think it has value.

As does an encyclopedia.  :)

Tony




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