Author: Albert Silver
Date: 11:34:55 08/22/02
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On August 22, 2002 at 14:14:00, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote:
>On August 22, 2002 at 13:38:13, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>On August 21, 2002 at 18:55:53, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>
>>>On August 21, 2002 at 15:06:32, Mogens Larsen wrote:
>>>
>>>>>I don't think it's comparable to the one in physics, it's IIRC just a "minor"
>>>>>project, like 1/4 to 1/2 year.
>>>>
>>>>If you want to boost the reputation of your physics department, that's okay, but
>>>>irrelevant.
>>>
>>>It was only a matter of time before you said that, not true of course.
>>>
>>>>In general a thesis lasts 1/2 year.
>>>
>>>Correcting you is getting rather tiresome, for the last time:
>>>
>>>Masters in:
>>>Astronomy - 1 year (60 ETCS points)
>>>Biophysics - 1 year (60 ETCS points)
>>>Biochemistry - 1 year (60 ETCS points)
>>>Biology - 1 year (60 ETCS points)
>>>Computer Science - 1/2 to 1 year (30 or 60 ETCS points)
>>>Geophysics - 1 year (60 ETCS points)
>>>etc.....
>>>
>>>These are facts, so it's not really open for debate although you seem to think
>>>so, this is how it's done in KU - perhaps things are different elsewhere, but
>>>not here.
>>>
>>>http://www.sis.ku.dk/SHB/SHBIndhold.asp?Vnr=83&Sprog=DK&InFrame=0
>>>(and please read it this time;)
>>>
>>>>A somewhat recent requirement to
>>>>make sure that more students finished earlier, ie. within 5 years instead of 6,
>>>>7 or more. However, the universities have tried to circumvent that
>>>>recommendation. Especially in natural science disciplines, including
>>>>mathematics. In Aalborg, of which I'm familiar, you do a prelimenary theoretical
>>>>thesis to support your eventual master thesis. So in reality it takes a year. I
>>>>suspect it takes even longer at Århus. Physics is far from unique in that
>>>>respect. All that is educational politics and completely irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>>>Boy, you haven't been paying much attention then, it was the _standard_ I found
>>>>>a bit low for a masters thesis.
>>>>
>>>>I responded to your incorrect claim about the meaning of a master thesis, ie.
>>>>the requirement of original science, which is apparent by tracing the thread
>>>>backwards. I don't care about the standard, because it's none of my business. So
>>>>much for the good old "I was discussing something else" excuse ;-).
>>>
>>>My claim was never shown to be incorrect. *sigh*
>>>You believed that doing a 'theoretical' study could be done by 'compendium
>>>research', I told you it couldn't and that it had to be _original_ to some
>>>extent.
>>>We can't decide who is right unless we phone a decan or something, however I
>>>know the professors here better than you, and I know the work my fellow students
>>>do, and I am telling you I have never heard of anyone not doing original
>>>research in their masters, you simply cannot find a supervisor to support you in
>>>such a project.
>
>Most probably because it is not convenient for the supervisor.
>
>>Of course this says zilch about Denmark, you might find interesting what is
>>permissible in the US for a Master's thesis:
>>
>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?246732
>>
> Albert
>
>Two danish guys did research in biochemistry here in Michigan State and
>presented their thesis in Denmark (Aarhus). They felt pretty confident when they
>traveled to present them because they said that the standards were much lower in
>Denmark. Most probably because people rarely do a Masters in biochemitry in US.
>They generally target PhD programs.
>Master thesis changes a lot from area to area and country to country. Moreover,
>In Argentina there were no master degrees until recently. You either went all
>the way to PhD or nothing. Of course, there is no "baccalaurate" of 4 years, but
>undergraduate programs of 5-6 years. There is no way to find equivalencies.
>Everything is even out at the PhD level.
>
>Miguel
I understand. Standards vary a great deal from place to place, not only due to
'higher' or 'lower' settings, but even due to differences in the education
systme itself. Take for example, a bachelor's degree in literature or
philosophy. In the US, much as any other bachelor's degree, it is a 4-year deal.
In France, it is a 2-year deal. The description below is according to what it
was when I graduated through it a decade or so ago. I heard it underwent some
changes, hence this 'apology'.
The reason for the French 2-year degree as opposed to the US's 4 isn't because
the standard is half the US's but because of the very different high school
education systems. For one thing, they have an extra year in the system, as it
runs backwards from 12th to 1st, and then adds a 13th year: Terminale. Then you
have the obligation to choose the type of high school degree before entering the
last three years of high school. This choice will strongly determine the courses
and hours you will get in those three years. For example, I chose a Baccalauréat
that emphasized literature and philosophy, so by my last year of high school I
had exactly 0 hours of sciences a week (though I could opt for 1 hour a week as
an optional course), 1.5 hours of math a week, and 10 hours of philosophy a
week. Naturally, anyone choosing to do a Baccalauréat in mathematics and physics
would have had different priorities. When I went to the US, I was granted full
credits for all philosophy courses de facto (and French for foreign language
requirements), but was forced to pass a mathematics aptitude test. :-)
Just different systems.
Albert
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>>>
>>>-S.
>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Mogens
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