Author: Chris Carson
Date: 14:07:12 08/22/02
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On August 22, 2002 at 16:39:38, Matthew Hull wrote: >On August 22, 2002 at 16:09:06, Chris Carson wrote: > >>On August 22, 2002 at 15:32:32, Matthew Hull wrote: >> >>>On August 22, 2002 at 15:15:08, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On August 22, 2002 at 14:37:07, Matthew Hull wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 22, 2002 at 14:20:41, William H Rogers wrote: >>>>> >>>>>[snip] >>>>>>... That they beat the worlds champ in 2 out of 3 is on >>>>>>record, but that does not make them the worlds best. >>>>>>Bill >>>>> >>>>>It does if no other program has done it or can do it. I guess we'll soon know >>>>>the answer if the Fritz/Kramnik thing ever happens. >>>> >>>>Kramnik gets the machine before the match. >>>>The interesting match is kasparov-Junior and not Kramnik-Fritz. >>>> >>>>I think that you should learn statistics and 6 games are too little data to >>>>decide and stopping to play after these 6 games suggest that they know that they >>>>were lucky and they want to give the public the worng impression by not playing >>>>more games. >>>> >>>>I do not fall for this trap. >>>> >>>>Uri >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>Let's put it this way. They are the only one's to ever get that lucky. But for >>>some people, beating the World Champ in 6 games with a lot of skill and some >>>luck (maybe even a lot of luck) adds up to zero. I think it adds up to > zero. >>>Can you at least admit that? >> >>Results for DB and Commercials: >> >> >> ELO Opp >>DB97 2862 2795 +2 =3 -1 >> >>Tiger 2788 2497 +8 =3 -0 >>DJ6 2702 2792 +2 =5 -2 >>Rebel 2697 2697 +2 =0 -2 >>DF6 2678 2545 +6 =4 -2 >> >>DB96 2642 2775 +1 =2 -3 >> >>Based on results, the top commercial programs are equal to DB today. >>The 2700 GM that Rebel tied with played 100 preparation games, GM Kasparov vs DB >>had none. > >How many preparation games did Andersson get before playing Morphy? Does anyone >dispute the fact that Morphy beat Andersson? Are there endless debates about >who was _really_ the stronger player? > >Was Fischer really stronger than Spassky? He only just barely beat him. He >probably would have lost if he hadn't made such a rediculous fuss and disrupted >the match. And he was too chicken to play Karpov. But I don't see you or >anybody else sticking up for Spassky or Karpov. > >>The commercial programs can be played by anyone. DB was only played >>by a select few team members and a few games later by DBjr. The commercial >>programs are the best today and results as good as DB and over more games. DB >>is a dead horse. > >According to the laws of arithmetic, 2862 is still greater than 2788. And it >was achieved against _THE_ WORLD CHAMPION. None of the others can boast that. > Was he _THE_ WORLD CHAMPION or the PCA_CHAMPION? The debates about which World Champ was the best go on all the time. Who is the best today? GM Kasparov or GM Kramnik or the FIDE World Champ? DB won the match, I never said said that did not happen, but you have to continue to win to maintain that. GM Fischer was "appointed" World Champ by the US Congress and still is, is he the real champ? Was he the best. Today's programs perform at the same level as DB. >> >>HSU deserves a lot of credit, but so do the developers of the commercial >>programs. >> >>Link on Tony's page: >>http://home.interact.se/~w100107/manmachine.htm >> >>There will be an update after the Oct, 02 matches. >> >>Chris
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