Author: Uri Blass
Date: 14:13:35 08/22/02
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On August 22, 2002 at 16:39:38, Matthew Hull wrote: >On August 22, 2002 at 16:09:06, Chris Carson wrote: > >>On August 22, 2002 at 15:32:32, Matthew Hull wrote: >> >>>On August 22, 2002 at 15:15:08, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On August 22, 2002 at 14:37:07, Matthew Hull wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 22, 2002 at 14:20:41, William H Rogers wrote: >>>>> >>>>>[snip] >>>>>>... That they beat the worlds champ in 2 out of 3 is on >>>>>>record, but that does not make them the worlds best. >>>>>>Bill >>>>> >>>>>It does if no other program has done it or can do it. I guess we'll soon know >>>>>the answer if the Fritz/Kramnik thing ever happens. >>>> >>>>Kramnik gets the machine before the match. >>>>The interesting match is kasparov-Junior and not Kramnik-Fritz. >>>> >>>>I think that you should learn statistics and 6 games are too little data to >>>>decide and stopping to play after these 6 games suggest that they know that they >>>>were lucky and they want to give the public the worng impression by not playing >>>>more games. >>>> >>>>I do not fall for this trap. >>>> >>>>Uri >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>Let's put it this way. They are the only one's to ever get that lucky. But for >>>some people, beating the World Champ in 6 games with a lot of skill and some >>>luck (maybe even a lot of luck) adds up to zero. I think it adds up to > zero. >>>Can you at least admit that? >> >>Results for DB and Commercials: >> >> >> ELO Opp >>DB97 2862 2795 +2 =3 -1 >> >>Tiger 2788 2497 +8 =3 -0 >>DJ6 2702 2792 +2 =5 -2 >>Rebel 2697 2697 +2 =0 -2 >>DF6 2678 2545 +6 =4 -2 >> >>DB96 2642 2775 +1 =2 -3 >> >>Based on results, the top commercial programs are equal to DB today. >>The 2700 GM that Rebel tied with played 100 preparation games, GM Kasparov vs DB >>had none. > >How many preparation games did Andersson get before playing Morphy? Does anyone >dispute the fact that Morphy beat Andersson? Are there endless debates about >who was _really_ the stronger player? He played no preperation games against a copy of the opponent when the opponent does not know about it and this is the point. > >Was Fischer really stronger than Spassky? He only just barely beat him. He >probably would have lost if he hadn't made such a rediculous fuss and disrupted >the match. And he was too chicken to play Karpov. But I don't see you or >anybody else sticking up for Spassky or Karpov. Fisher played a lot of games. He beated some players 6-0. Fisher was better than spassky also based on public games against other players. It was not the case with deeper blue because it played no public games against other players. >>The commercial programs can be played by anyone. DB was only played >>by a select few team members and a few games later by DBjr. The commercial >>programs are the best today and results as good as DB and over more games. DB >>is a dead horse. > >According to the laws of arithmetic, 2862 is still greater than 2788. And it >was achieved against _THE_ WORLD CHAMPION. None of the others can boast that. Humans could not get experience against something similiar to the thing and the situation today is different. Uri
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