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Subject: Re: Trade off in strength for blitz vs Standard concerning Ferret??

Author: Komputer Korner

Date: 11:31:31 08/15/98

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On August 10, 1998 at 00:02:15, fca wrote:

>On August 09, 1998 at 20:13:56, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On August 09, 1998 at 19:18:52, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On August 09, 1998 at 10:22:31, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>Thorsten talked about this, but maybe it applied to older versions of Lang's
>>>>programs. Nobody has given evidence that Genius selects differently its moves
>>>>than the opponent's, except in the very end of the lines.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>actually, several posted a few positions where Genius appeared to show an
>>>asymmetric search.  It couldn't find the key move with a very deep search,
>>>yet if you play the key move and let it play the other side, it would find that
>>>it was lost very quickly.  Which lends credibility to the idea that it looks
>>>at everything for the opponent, but prunes (forward prunes) its own moves
>>>quite a bit in the right circumstances...
>>
>>
>>I remember Thorsten said he would post some of these positions, but he didn't do
>>it, or I just missed his posts.
>>
>>I would be interested to see such positions. If somebody has found such
>>examples, would he be kind enough to repost them, please?
>
>I think there is a misunderstanding here.  By Bob, maybe by Thorsten and others
>too.
>
>Genius is highly "modularised."  Depending on perceived game phase, a different
>evaluation module (code segment - not just a couple of variables) is used.
>
>But...
>
>Which module to use is only set at root level.  Within, the same module stays
>used.
>
>So say the root move being considered would, if made, change perceived game
>phase (not necessarily a capture, but usually so, I believe).  While it is
>examined - even to 32 ply depth - the lens used will still be for module x.
>However deep the search.
>
>Now the move is chosen.  So module y is now used.  Alas, the evaluation is
>significantly changed - i.e. Genius now "sees it" truly.
>
>This is the heart of the problem that is misdiagnosed as asymmetry (without
>denying or confirming that such asymmetry exists  :-)  ).
>
>Kind regards
>
>fca

This is a form of preprocessing albeit in a modular form. Effects should be the
same in a lot of instances. What proof do you have for this of Genius?
--
Komputer Korner



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