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Subject: Re: The page in question - Give me a break

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 15:26:09 09/03/02

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On September 03, 2002 at 17:44:26, martin fierz wrote:

>On September 03, 2002 at 16:26:33, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On September 03, 2002 at 15:50:45, Matthew Hull wrote:
>>
>>>On September 03, 2002 at 15:42:08, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>
>>>>http://sjeng.sourceforge.net/ftp/hyatt1.png
>>>>
>>>>I will try to upload the full article as soon as I can.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>GCP
>>>
>>>You've got to be kidding.  When Vincent posts the numbers, he's got all these
>>>trailing zeros.  What's with that?
>>>
>>>It is Vincent that's faking numbers here, not Bob.  Bob's numbers are just
>>>rounded off.
>>>
>>>Vincent is the one emitting bogons here.
>>
>>
>>If you didn't see my response elsewhere, this output was produced by a program
>>I wrote to "eat" Cray Blitz log files.  I did this for my dissertation as I
>>produced tens of thousands of test position logs for that.
>>
>>I believe that it does something similar to what I do today, which means that
>>anything between 1.71 and 1.8 is treated as 1.8, 1.81 to 1.9 is 1.9.
>
>that sure sounds like a bad thing to do! you should retain 2 digits, since
>the interesting number is not the speedup (1.8, 1.9, whatever), but rather the
>difference to 2.

I don't use a "log eater" today.  I generally run a set of positions, and
get a time for one processor, then a time for 2 processors and divide the two
by hand.  I do round to one dec. place as the numbers are already very
unstable, and going to more accuracy is really pointless...



> so if you measure 1.91 or 1.99, you really measure 0.09 or
>0.01, and obviously these two numbers are quite different.
>also, if you really feel like rounding, you should do it in the normal sense,
>like 1.750 - 1.849 -> 1.8. i don't believe a word of vincent's post, but always
>rounding upwards is definitely making your data look better than it is, and
>should be rejected by any reviewer or thesis advisor - if he knew you were doing
>that :-). not that it makes a big difference of course - but for the 2-processor
>case we are talking about a potential >10% error, which where it starts getting
>significant.
>
>aloha
>  martin
>

or really 5% max?  ie 1.9 to 1.99 is only 5% difference...





>> I am
>>not _certain_ as I don't have any of the old files left, they were all lost
>>somewhere around 96-97.  And I might be wrong.  But something tells me that
>>all this was integer values in Cray Blitz's logs, which means that it would
>>be convenient to compute speedup = something + roundup and truncate it as it
>>was all done in integers.
>>
>>however, I won't bet my life that I did that as the "log eater" was written in
>>1987 while working on my dissertation.  that is a _long_ time ago to remember
>>some tiny detail inside the thing...



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