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Subject: Re: A Tough One.

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 17:34:43 09/03/02

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On September 03, 2002 at 20:22:57, John Merlino wrote:

>On September 03, 2002 at 20:00:53, Slater Wold wrote:
>
>>On September 03, 2002 at 19:35:06, John Merlino wrote:
>>
>>>On September 03, 2002 at 18:59:54, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>
>>>>[D]4rrk1/p4p2/1b1Q1n1p/4n1p1/3pb3/1P2P1PN/PB1R1P1P/3R2K1 b - - 0 23
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Can you find Re6?  And it wins, not draws!!
>>>
>>>Chessmaster 9000, on a humble PIII-600, finds it in 3:16. However, it was pretty
>>>happy with Nf3+ before that, so it might also win...
>>>
>>>23... Nf3+
>>>24. Kf1 (forced) Nxh2+
>>>25. Ke1 Re6 (NOW Re6)
>>>
>>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>>0:00	1/3	0.32	2563		23...Nf3+ 24.Kf1 Re6 25.Qb4 Nxd2+
>>>					26.Qxd2
>>>0:00	1/4	0.15	5091		23...Nf3+ 24.Kf1 Nxd2+ 25.Rxd2
>>>					Re6 26.Qb4 dxe3
>>>0:00	1/4	0.11	5812		23...Re6 24.Qb4 a5 25.Qb5 Nf3+
>>>					26.Kf1 Nxd2+ 27.Rxd2 dxe3
>>>0:00	1/5	0.11	11260		23...Re6 24.Qb4 a5 25.Qb5 Nf3+
>>>					26.Kf1 Nxd2+ 27.Rxd2 dxe3
>>>0:00	1/5	-0.04	17932		23...Nf3+ 24.Kf1 Nxh2+ 25.Ke2 Bf3+
>>>					26.Kd3 Re6 27.Qb4 dxe3
>>>0:00	1/6	-0.37	40593		23...Nf3+ 24.Kf1 Nxh2+ 25.Ke2 Re6
>>>					26.Qb4 dxe3 27.fxe3 Bf3+ 28.Kd3
>>>					Bxd1 29.Rxd1 Rxe3+ 30.Kc2 Rxg3
>>>					31.Bxf6 Rxh3
>>>0:02	1/7	-0.56	167791		23...Nf3+ 24.Kf1 Nxh2+ 25.Ke1 Nf3+
>>>					26.Ke2 Re6 27.Qa3 Nxd2 28.Rxd2 Bf5
>>>0:06	1/8	-0.73	436350		23...Nf3+ 24.Kf1 Nxh2+ 25.Ke1 Re6
>>>					26.Qb4 Nf3+ 27.Kf1 Nxd2+ 28.Qxd2
>>>					dxe3 29.fxe3 Ng4
>>>0:18	1/9	-0.73	1396122		23...Nf3+ 24.Kf1 Nxh2+ 25.Ke1 Re6
>>>					26.Qb4 Nf3+ 27.Kf1 Nxd2+ 28.Qxd2
>>>					Bf5 29.Ng1 dxe3
>>>0:50	1/10	-1.01	3985604		23...Nf3+ 24.Kf1 Nxh2+ 25.Ke1 Re6
>>>					26.Qb4 Nf3+ 27.Ke2 Nxd2 28.Rxd2
>>>					dxe3 29.fxe3 Nd5 30.Qc4 Nxe3
>>>2:42	2/11	-1.06	13031332	23...Nf3+ 24.Kf1 Nxh2+ 25.Ke1 Re6
>>>					26.Qb4 Nf3+ 27.Ke2 Nxd2 28.Qxd2
>>>					Bf5 29.Ng1 dxe3 30.fxe3 Bxe3 31.Qxe3
>>>					Rxe3+ 32.Kxe3
>>>3:16	2/11	-1.23	15735481	23...Re6 24.Qa3 Nf3+ 25.Kf1 Nxh2+
>>>					26.Kg1 Nf3+ 27.Kf1 Nxd2+ 28.Rxd2
>>>					dxe3 29.Rd6 Bf5 30.Kg2 e2 31.Rxe6
>>>					Bxe6
>>>
>>>jm
>>
>>Nf3+ doesn't win.  Best case it draws, worst case there are several lines that
>>lose.
>>
>>A lot of programs get "confused" on this one, because the material is all wacko.
>> :)
>
>Here is the line that CM plays:
>
>23...Nf3+
>24.Kf1 Nxh2+
>25.Ke1 Nf3+
>26.Ke2 Re6
>27.Qb4 Nxd2
>28.Rxd2 Nd5 (and an eval of over 2.0 for Black).
>
>How can White improve on the above line?
>
>jm


That line is great.  But any program that says it's 2.0 for Black is nuts.  ;)

Consider after 28...Nd5:

Bxd4 Rc8 Bxb6 Rxb6 Kg1 Nf6 Rd1 Bf3 Rc1 Rbc6 Rxc6 Rxc6 Qb2 Ng4

And it seems to me, white is at *least* even.  And IMO, slightly better.


Besides, Re6 wins almost immediatly.



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