Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 09:39:26 09/14/02
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On September 14, 2002 at 02:12:47, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>:) :) :)
>>
>>That must make approximately 2 or 3 people in the world.
>>
>>You are the first of them. We are going to look for the two others and we call
>>you back when we have found them.
>
>James and Eugene must be the other two.
>
>Oh wait.. include 99% of my friends. There is easily another 40.
>
>>>>1) I did not install it.
>>>>2) I do not want it but was not allowed to buy the machine without it.
>>>>3) I CANNOT remove it.
>>>
>>>You chose to buy a Toshiba laptop with it installed. Not me. I CHOSE to purchase
>>>Windows XP.
>>>
>>>If they don't want to sell you a laptop without an OS then that is their
>>>problem. You as the consumer _can_ go elsewhere.
>>
>>
>>Sounds very much like Microsoft propaganda.
>
>How? Your not a consumer? You don't have the right to choose between product A
>or product B?
Come on! Where is the real choice?
When I buy a peripheral, it is NEVER shipped with a non-Windows driver.
People want digital cameras. When they buy one the only choice they have is to
use Windows.
Only the techies can use another OS (Linux for example) because they will invest
time looking for a driver, or helping to build one.
Most people can't do that, and they have NO choice.
>>I do not have other choices because Microsoft has used the power of its monopoly
>>to pressure the computer manufacturers in order to keep this monopoly.
>>
>>That's finding of facts by a US court.
>
>Your using Linux correct? Obviously you have other choices.
>
>
>>I have no problem with the Toshiba hardware, the only problem is that Microsoft
>>is on their back and forces them to ship their computers with XP exclusively.
>
>Forcing them to use Windows? You had better call in the FBI. That is some kind
>of crime I am sure. Forcing someone to do something against their will.
Hey that's exactly what the DOJ is (was) trying to do.
I'm afraid that Microsoft's money and lobbying will eventually silent them
unfortunately.
Thousands of consumers complained, and those complains were backed up by 18
states.
It has been found by the court that Microsoft has illegally used its power to
keep its monopoly in the desktop OS market. The supreme court agreed on these
finding of facts.
But M$ is so powerful that in the end the settlement will just say that
Microsoft must allow the consumer to remove IE and Media Player from the OS.
That's pathetic.
>Christophe please don't be obtuse. Toshiba uses Windows and actually PURCHASES
>the right to pre-install Windows on their laptops. Just as HP has done with Red
>Hat. The professional version of Red Hat is installed on their systems.
Then I will look for an HP notebook next time.
>>>>>>It is difficult to know what it does exactly.
>>>>>
>>>>>Your the one at the controls...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Good joke.
>>>>
>>>>The bloody stuff insists everytime I launch it to download things from the
>>>>Internet. Sometimes it starts downloading without asking. I have to click as
>>>>fast as possible on the Cancel button to stop the download.
>>>>
>>>>I DON'T WANT UPDATES TO BE INSTALLED AUTOMATICALLY.
>>>
>>>Ok simple.. right click on "My Computer", goto "Automatic Updates" and turn them
>>>off. Was that hard?
>>
>>
>>I knew you would say that and I have already given you the reason why it is not
>>acceptable.
>
>It is not acceptable to turn off the automatic updates? How is that? Again are
>you just a clone that MUST do it because it is already turned on?
You don't understand.
Microsoft's game for 20 years now has been to gamble on the ignorance of the
consumers.
Me and you, as advanced users, only represent a minority (say 1%) of the users.
Most of the people using Windows have lots of problems just starting Word,
typing a document and printing it.
They will never dare to change anything to the system's settings.
Basically that means that whatever setting Microsoft chooses as default will be
the setting used by 99% of users.
>>That learning curve I will not take.
>>
>>I will learn Unix/Linux instead. That's going to be time much better invested.
>
>And it might be. I am not trashing Linux/Unix. Remember I use them as well.
>
>
>>No sorry. This bullshit is repeated by Microsoft since 20 years with the same
>>result year after year.
>>
>>Look, I'm really stupid. I stopped believing them after 15 years.
>>
>>Apparently there are people even more stupid than I am. But I'm confident they
>>will see the light.
>
>I will agree that the Windows 9x series of Windows was horrible. I am sure even
>you can see that calling people stupid is not needed. They were brought up with
>Windows. Some will want to learn Linux/Unix.. some won't.
I started by calling myself stupid.
It's just that I believe that most people will eventually understand. But
later...
>Just because you do, doesn't mean _I_ have to.
>
>If you hated it SO much, why design Chess Tiger in a Win32 manner?
Chess Tiger is not designed for Win32.
Chess Tiger has been designed with RHIDE and DJGPP (the GNU C compiler) running
under DOS since 1997. No Win32 at all.
To make it Win32 compatible I just had to add a few #if in the source, and
declare some functions as _export.
Anyway, you miss the point.
I was a Microsoft supporter for many years. Until I finally realized what they
were doing and that it was NOT in the interest of the consumer at all.
>>I think you should work at Microsoft. I'm sure they have a job for you in their
>>propagan... sorry, public relations departement.
>
>Hook me up with the job. I would love it. I can only assume I would be making
>more money than I am now. I would gladly promote Windows 2000/XP.
>
>Whether you want to believe me or not, I have seen though being a help desk tech
>when I was younger just how many "crashes" were caused by users. It had
>_nothing_ to do with the OS.
A real OS must not crash. Period.
A program can crash, and in this case it must be stopped by the OS. The OS
itself must not crash.
It's not the user's fault when the OS crashes while it is typing a document with
Word. And it has happened billion of times to people around the world in the
last 10 years.
I know it has never happened to you. You are much smarter than that.
Christophe
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