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Subject: Re: Fritz 5's opening tree loses moves!!!

Author: Jeff Anderson

Date: 16:35:01 08/27/98

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I too have had this problem with books that I have created and are on the
hard-disk.  It happened once and it has not happened since.  It was a pain to
make the entire book again, it included about 50k games from the TWIC site.  It
doesn't happen when you use the book on the cd-rom of course and it doesn't seem
to be that big of a deal unless it happens more than on rare occasions.


On August 27, 1998 at 19:00:44, blass uri wrote:

>
>On August 27, 1998 at 18:41:58, Serge Desmarais wrote:
>
>>   In less than a week, after I bought Fritz 5, its opening tree first lost 1.d4
>>as a starting move!!! Not a minor move! All the black's replies to that move
>>were greyed out, but on White's second move, everything was there and okay.
>>
>>   After I imported games with 1.d4 and created fictive 1 move games (one for
>>every black reply that was greyed out, everything was back, except that all the
>>statistics that were going with 1.d4 previously had disappeared, along with the
>>learning for that move! Though the total number of games for the entire tree was
>>unaffected. I reported that to ChessbaseUSA and they are shipping me a patch. I
>>also asked in rec.games.chess.computers if any other Fritz 5 user was having the
>>same problem with the tree and one user reported that after only a few days
>>after installation, the only 1st white move that was left in his tree was
>>1.c4!!! He also reported that the 5.03 patch will not fix that horrible problem!
>>
>>   Now, yesterday, I started a game that fgoes like that (with Fritz playing
>>White) 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 and after I played 2...Nc6, it started thinking... I
>>stopped everything and opened the tree : 2...Nc6 had disappeared from it!!!
>>Vanished!
>>
>>   Now, it is discouraging to import selected games to add moves into an opening
>>book that continually loses moves... I wonder if it was a good idea to buy that
>>program? And interesting autolearning function  with games statistics, but
>>everything could disappear at anytime??? I also wonder if that is not the real
>>reason why Fritz NEEDS the special and secret auto232 autoplayer, which could be
>>tuned only to avoid move losts from the book while playing another strong
>>program? This is just a hypothesis, but what if, while playing say Rebel 9.0,
>>Fritz 5 is left with only 1.c4 to play against Rebel? No more 1.e4 or 1.d4 or
>>even 1.Nf3? And when Rebel plays one of these moves, Fritz has to start
>>calculating... to be back in book on the next move...
>>
>>   So, has any Fritz 5 users in here had this problem or, better, found a way of
>>preventing it? If it could not be prevented, that could be a very good reason
>>from recommending the buying of Fritz 5...
>
>I have fritz5.00 and my machine never lost moves
>maybe it is only a problem of fritz5.03
>
>Uri
>>
>>Serge Desmarais



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