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Subject: Re: This is why TIGER should have been allowed to play in the comp tourney

Author: Roy Eassa

Date: 15:50:41 10/08/02

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On October 08, 2002 at 18:42:34, martin fierz wrote:

>On October 08, 2002 at 17:38:38, Roy Eassa wrote:
>
>>On October 08, 2002 at 13:36:19, martin fierz wrote:
>>
>>>On October 08, 2002 at 13:24:48, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 08, 2002 at 13:02:17, Rex wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Fritz is FRIED.  Tiger should have been allowed to play in the comp tourney.
>>>>>This 8 CPU program is not impressive.  This is an Embarrassment for Fritz.
>>>>>Looks like the BEST program is NOT going against the BEST GM.
>>>>
>>>>Kramnik is 2800+ ELO. TWENTY-EIGHT-HUNDRED.  For crying out loud.
>>>
>>>and, even more important, his normal style of play is PERFECT against computers.
>>>kasparov is 2800 too, but i predict he will not make junior look as stupid as
>>>kramnik is making fritz look. not because junior is better, but because kasparov
>>>will try to prove he can beat the computer in tactical positions too.
>>
>>
>>Yes!  This is exactly what I've been saying.  Kasparov needs to study Zen or
>>meditation or something like that because otherwise his personality and ego will
>>hurt him in the match.  No matter how strong he is tactically compared to other
>>humans, it would be better for him to avoid complex tactics against any modern
>>program running on fast hardware.  If he could force himself to do that, I think
>>he could win just as handily as Kramnik.
>
>i don't think so. kasparov is "not himself" when he attempts to play this kind
>of chess. he draws his strength in part from hypnotizing his opponents (not
>quite like tal, but a bit: tal used to creat super-complicated positions with
>sometimes incorrect sacrifices, because he knew he would outcalculate his
>opponents in them). of course kasparov is a fantastic chess player and all, but
>if he has to force himself to do something he normally wouldnt do to win the
>match then that will be a problem for him.
>personally, i think kasparov will try to destroy junior even worse than whatever
>kramnik does to DF in the end, because obviously this kasparov-DJ contest is
>some sort of duel between the two K's too. this should make for some very
>exciting chess! i also think kasparov will try to prove that humans are better
>than computers in quite normal positions with queens too, just to prove the
>point. he is both stubborn and good enough to do that!
>
>aloha
>  martin


One can work to change one's temperment to some degree.

But I hope you're right about one prediction: nothing would be cooler than to
see Kasparov beat Junior 7 decisively in their match NOT by using the same
method/style as Kramnik but rather by a whole DIFFERENT method -- deep attacks
more like Eduard Nemeth used against Fritz 6.  (But I honestly don't know if
that's possible for any human against Deep Fritz 7 running on such fast
hardware.)


>
>
>>
>>>
>>>>Chess Tiger might have done better.  But any program will have a tough time with
>>>>a super genius like Kramnik.
>>>
>>>all of today's top programs are very close. it doesnt really matter which of
>>>them kramnik tears to pieces, he would do the same to any program.
>>
>>
>>Yup!  They all share the same fundamental weakness, one that Kramnik is clearly
>>exploiting.
>>
>>
>> analysts say
>>>black could have kept some drawing chances in game 2 with ...Rc8 instead of
>>>...Kd7 (around move 35). which program will play that move? not one, i guess...
>>>
>>>aloha
>>>  martin



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