Author: Roy Eassa
Date: 15:50:41 10/08/02
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On October 08, 2002 at 18:42:34, martin fierz wrote: >On October 08, 2002 at 17:38:38, Roy Eassa wrote: > >>On October 08, 2002 at 13:36:19, martin fierz wrote: >> >>>On October 08, 2002 at 13:24:48, Dann Corbit wrote: >>> >>>>On October 08, 2002 at 13:02:17, Rex wrote: >>>> >>>>>Fritz is FRIED. Tiger should have been allowed to play in the comp tourney. >>>>>This 8 CPU program is not impressive. This is an Embarrassment for Fritz. >>>>>Looks like the BEST program is NOT going against the BEST GM. >>>> >>>>Kramnik is 2800+ ELO. TWENTY-EIGHT-HUNDRED. For crying out loud. >>> >>>and, even more important, his normal style of play is PERFECT against computers. >>>kasparov is 2800 too, but i predict he will not make junior look as stupid as >>>kramnik is making fritz look. not because junior is better, but because kasparov >>>will try to prove he can beat the computer in tactical positions too. >> >> >>Yes! This is exactly what I've been saying. Kasparov needs to study Zen or >>meditation or something like that because otherwise his personality and ego will >>hurt him in the match. No matter how strong he is tactically compared to other >>humans, it would be better for him to avoid complex tactics against any modern >>program running on fast hardware. If he could force himself to do that, I think >>he could win just as handily as Kramnik. > >i don't think so. kasparov is "not himself" when he attempts to play this kind >of chess. he draws his strength in part from hypnotizing his opponents (not >quite like tal, but a bit: tal used to creat super-complicated positions with >sometimes incorrect sacrifices, because he knew he would outcalculate his >opponents in them). of course kasparov is a fantastic chess player and all, but >if he has to force himself to do something he normally wouldnt do to win the >match then that will be a problem for him. >personally, i think kasparov will try to destroy junior even worse than whatever >kramnik does to DF in the end, because obviously this kasparov-DJ contest is >some sort of duel between the two K's too. this should make for some very >exciting chess! i also think kasparov will try to prove that humans are better >than computers in quite normal positions with queens too, just to prove the >point. he is both stubborn and good enough to do that! > >aloha > martin One can work to change one's temperment to some degree. But I hope you're right about one prediction: nothing would be cooler than to see Kasparov beat Junior 7 decisively in their match NOT by using the same method/style as Kramnik but rather by a whole DIFFERENT method -- deep attacks more like Eduard Nemeth used against Fritz 6. (But I honestly don't know if that's possible for any human against Deep Fritz 7 running on such fast hardware.) > > >> >>> >>>>Chess Tiger might have done better. But any program will have a tough time with >>>>a super genius like Kramnik. >>> >>>all of today's top programs are very close. it doesnt really matter which of >>>them kramnik tears to pieces, he would do the same to any program. >> >> >>Yup! They all share the same fundamental weakness, one that Kramnik is clearly >>exploiting. >> >> >> analysts say >>>black could have kept some drawing chances in game 2 with ...Rc8 instead of >>>...Kd7 (around move 35). which program will play that move? not one, i guess... >>> >>>aloha >>> martin
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