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Subject: Re: impact of early queen exchange on performance

Author: Ricardo Gibert

Date: 14:38:20 10/09/02

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On October 09, 2002 at 17:26:47, Mike S. wrote:

>On October 09, 2002 at 16:58:46, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>
>>On October 09, 2002 at 15:36:13, Mike S. wrote:
>>>(...)
>>>Percentages, based on a large comp-comp database:
>>>
>>>Engine          | #Games   total  W    B  | total eQE* W/eQE   B/eQE
>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Fritz 7         |  784      69%  72%  65% | 59% (#57)   53%     67%
>>>Chess Tiger 14  |  850      66%  71%  62% | 72% (#71)   73%     71%
>>>Shredder 6/-P.  |  743      61%  65%  57% | 58% (#58)   63%     53%
>>>Junior 7        |  799      55%  58%  53% | 41% (#60)   25% !   56%
>>>Crafty 18.x     |  741      48%  48%  47% | 51% (#52)   51%     52%
>>>
>>>*) "eQE" = early queen exchange (within the first 10 moves)
>
>>(...)
>>Like I indicated in my other post, you can't really draw any reasonable
>>conclusions from these statistics. Too many variables are unaccounted for.
>
>The figures *themselves* are the information (and don't require
>interpretations/assumptions at first). IOW, factual like: Junior 7 scored 55% in
>that databse in total, and 41% when queens were exchanged early.
>
>So unless somebody finds another large game collection which gives much
>different figures, I draw the conclusion that Junior 7 achieves a much worse
>score without queens, at least with white (58%/25%). Isn't that reasonable?


No, because it does not explain how color can be a significant variable. It
shouldn't be, but since it seems to be, you can't trust the conclusion.
Something funny is going on that needs to be explained before you can get
anywhere with this.


>
>But of course the next thing you think about is: What *could* be the reason?
>There are i.e. testsuite results which indicate that Tiger 14 and Crafty 18
>indeed are relatively better in the endgame, compared to their other strengths,
>and for Junior 7 vice versa.
>
>Regards,
>M.Scheidl



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