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Subject: Re: The "only" bad thing with Kramnik vs. Fritz!

Author: Gregor Overney

Date: 01:07:49 10/10/02

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It is very difficult to judge if Kramnik plays better in 2002 than Kasparov was
in 1997. It is also very difficult to judge if Kasparov lost against Deep Blue
(DB) because he did not know how to fight against computers. (Something Kramnik
might have figured out much better.) But I think that statements claiming Deep
Fritz (DF) is better, or equal for that matter, than DB are baseless. I read
again the article about DB and there is indeed much more behind DB than brute
force. It's an excellent HW implementation that plaid Chess well in 1997. DF is
just a program running on a system composed of eight (?) PC processors. – It’s a
commercial for a group of people who want to sell their program. Nothing more. I
am not even convinced that it is the best Chess playing program we can buy for a
multiprocessor PC. What about Junior?

GTO


On October 09, 2002 at 07:02:35, Terry Ripple wrote:

>On October 08, 2002 at 20:59:39, Gregor Overney wrote:
>
>>Well, it seems that Kramnik controls this PC program and, should he continue to
>>perform at his current level, Kramnik will most certainly win.
>>
>>The "only" disturbing thing is that now some folks will indeed proclaim that the
>>human brain outperforms any computer system the human brain is capable of
>>building. The answers is no. Of course not! (See the game of 1997 as an
>>example.)
>>
>>Although some journalists try to manipulate the opinion of the general public
>>that Deep Blue and the program Fritz running on a multiprocessor PC are indeed
>>comparable in strength, for us it is very obvious that this cannot be the case.
>>It is easier to find flaws in certain evaluation functions than to outthink
>>brute force searches with decent algorithms (such as implemented in Deep Blue).
>>
>>In any case, these games proof that PC programs are not yet winning against top
>>players at standard time settings.
>>
>>Gregor
>----------------
>
>This statement is not completely true! You are talking about perhaps one of the
>greatest chess players of all time who Deep Fritz is up against.
>
>Look at a different scenereo how "Rebel Century" played against strong
>Grandmasters and never lost a match and in fact the only match it didn't win was
>against the #10 in the country, "GM Van Weily" in which it drew the match!
>GM Van Weily is in the lower 2700's rated!
>
>Regards,
>      Terry



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