Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 10:18:11 10/14/02
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On October 14, 2002 at 04:04:30, Ingo Althofer wrote: >In the log-files of the ICC hour with Feng Hsiung Hsu >the following passages can be found: > >> EeEk(* DM) kibitzes: I heard that Fritz did >> play a match against Deep Blue in Hong Kong >> 1995,according to one of the Fritz programmers, >> is this not true? >> CrazyBird(DM) kibitzes: >> false advertisement. deep blue does not exist >> until 1996. the new chip was not completed >> until january 1996... >> >> ... >> >> EeEk(* DM) kibitzes: question from oddg: Back to >> the WC 1995, There was an entry with the name >> Deep Blue (Fritz won against DB), did it not have >> any relations to your Deep Blue? (EeEk: any idea >> how Deep Blue's name got in there, is this >> completely false?) >> CrazyBird(DM) kibitzes: deep blue did not play in >> 1995, since it did not exist yet. >> it was just deliberate relabeling on the part of >> commercial vendors, for obvious reasons. > > >I had a look back into the June 1995 issue of the >ICCA Journal and found the following data which >might clearify things: > >* On p.97ff the contestants of the Hong Kong World >Championship are described. One of them is >"Deep Blue Prototype by Feng-Hsiung Hsu, ..." > >* On p.102 the Final Standings are given, with >"Pos.3 DEEP BLUE USA ...." > >* On p.130 of the same issue there is an announcement: > "The ACM Chess Challenge > World Champon Kasparov to play IBM's DEEP BLUE" >In this announcement it reads >"DEEP BLUE is being developed at the IBM ... by >Feng-Hsiung Hsu, Murray Campbell and Joe Hoane, >under the supervision of Chung-Jen Tan. An earlier >version of the system won the 1994 ACM International >Computer Chess Championship at Cape May, New Jersey." > > >So, the name "Deep Blue (Prototype)" was not a >"deliberate relabeling on the part of commercial >vendors" but the official name in 1995. > >Ingo Althofer. Not quite. Deep Blue Prototype was used in 1994 and 1995. And it was _always_ clearly defined as "new search softwara using the old deep thought hardware." IBM chose to use that name, which some of us thought was a bit misleading. However, the _commercial_ guys said "we beat Deep Blue, the machine that beat Kasparov". That is false. The _deep blue_ that beat kasparov didn't exist until 1997. New chips and all. The 1996 deep blue didn't exist until January of 1996, and it also had new chips better than what was in deep thought. That is where the "marketing hyperbole" started... and that is what Hsu was referring to. The commercial guys didn't say "we beat deep blue prototype, (explanation of what that means here). " They just said "we beat deep blue".
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