Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 10:20:21 10/14/02
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On October 14, 2002 at 07:43:32, Harald Faber wrote: >On October 14, 2002 at 04:04:30, Ingo Althofer wrote: > >>In the log-files of the ICC hour with Feng Hsiung Hsu >>the following passages can be found: >> >>> EeEk(* DM) kibitzes: I heard that Fritz did >>> play a match against Deep Blue in Hong Kong >>> 1995,according to one of the Fritz programmers, >>> is this not true? >>> CrazyBird(DM) kibitzes: >>> false advertisement. deep blue does not exist >>> until 1996. the new chip was not completed >>> until january 1996... >>> >>> ... >>> >>> EeEk(* DM) kibitzes: question from oddg: Back to >>> the WC 1995, There was an entry with the name >>> Deep Blue (Fritz won against DB), did it not have >>> any relations to your Deep Blue? (EeEk: any idea >>> how Deep Blue's name got in there, is this >>> completely false?) >>> CrazyBird(DM) kibitzes: deep blue did not play in >>> 1995, since it did not exist yet. >>> it was just deliberate relabeling on the part of >>> commercial vendors, for obvious reasons. >> >> >>I had a look back into the June 1995 issue of the >>ICCA Journal and found the following data which >>might clearify things: >> >>* On p.97ff the contestants of the Hong Kong World >>Championship are described. One of them is >>"Deep Blue Prototype by Feng-Hsiung Hsu, ..." >> >>* On p.102 the Final Standings are given, with >>"Pos.3 DEEP BLUE USA ...." >> >>* On p.130 of the same issue there is an announcement: >> "The ACM Chess Challenge >> World Champon Kasparov to play IBM's DEEP BLUE" >>In this announcement it reads >>"DEEP BLUE is being developed at the IBM ... by >>Feng-Hsiung Hsu, Murray Campbell and Joe Hoane, >>under the supervision of Chung-Jen Tan. An earlier >>version of the system won the 1994 ACM International >>Computer Chess Championship at Cape May, New Jersey." >> >> >>So, the name "Deep Blue (Prototype)" was not a >>"deliberate relabeling on the part of commercial >>vendors" but the official name in 1995. >> >>Ingo Althofer. > > >Hsu... well... he wouldn't be a friend of mine. Everything he says seems to be >doubtful. DB Jr. 10-0 vs. other commercials where NOONE ever has seen the games >except... guess who... yes, Hsu. Now denying the loss in 1995, of course it was >"just a prototype absolutely not comparable with real DB". Nonsense. And >honestly speaking, I do not believe 50% of what he says or writes. It is all >about things noone else has ever seen, proven or whatever. I think you will discover that "what you believe" doesn't matter much to most people. Deep Blue did _not_ exist until 1996. Which means that it would be impossible for someone to beat it in 1995... prior to its creation.
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