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Subject: Re: "Deep Blue ..." in 1995

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:20:21 10/14/02

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On October 14, 2002 at 07:43:32, Harald Faber wrote:

>On October 14, 2002 at 04:04:30, Ingo Althofer wrote:
>
>>In the log-files of the ICC hour with Feng Hsiung Hsu
>>the following passages can be found:
>>
>>> EeEk(* DM) kibitzes: I heard that Fritz did
>>> play a match against Deep Blue in Hong Kong
>>> 1995,according to one of the Fritz programmers,
>>> is this not true?
>>> CrazyBird(DM) kibitzes:
>>> false advertisement. deep blue does not exist
>>> until 1996. the new chip was not completed
>>> until january 1996...
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> EeEk(* DM) kibitzes: question from oddg: Back to
>>> the WC 1995, There was an entry with the name
>>> Deep Blue (Fritz won against DB), did it not have
>>> any relations to your Deep Blue? (EeEk: any idea
>>> how Deep Blue's name got in there, is this
>>> completely false?)
>>> CrazyBird(DM) kibitzes: deep blue did not play in
>>> 1995, since it did not exist yet.
>>> it was just deliberate relabeling on the part of
>>> commercial vendors, for obvious reasons.
>>
>>
>>I had a look back into the June 1995 issue of the
>>ICCA Journal and found the following data which
>>might clearify things:
>>
>>* On p.97ff the contestants of the Hong Kong World
>>Championship are described. One of them is
>>"Deep Blue Prototype   by Feng-Hsiung Hsu, ..."
>>
>>* On p.102 the Final Standings are given, with
>>"Pos.3  DEEP BLUE   USA  ...."
>>
>>* On p.130 of the same issue there is an announcement:
>>   "The ACM Chess Challenge
>>   World Champon Kasparov to play IBM's DEEP BLUE"
>>In this announcement it reads
>>"DEEP BLUE is being developed at the IBM ... by
>>Feng-Hsiung Hsu, Murray Campbell and Joe Hoane,
>>under the supervision of Chung-Jen Tan. An earlier
>>version of the system won the 1994 ACM International
>>Computer Chess Championship at Cape May, New Jersey."
>>
>>
>>So, the name "Deep Blue (Prototype)" was not a
>>"deliberate relabeling on the part of commercial
>>vendors" but the official name in 1995.
>>
>>Ingo Althofer.
>
>
>Hsu... well... he wouldn't be a friend of mine. Everything he says seems to be
>doubtful. DB Jr. 10-0 vs. other commercials where NOONE ever has seen the games
>except... guess who... yes, Hsu. Now denying the loss in 1995, of course it was
>"just a prototype absolutely not comparable with real DB". Nonsense. And
>honestly speaking, I do not believe 50% of what he says or writes. It is all
>about things noone else has ever seen, proven or whatever.


I think you will discover that "what you believe" doesn't matter much to most
people.  Deep Blue did _not_ exist until 1996.  Which means that it would be
impossible for someone to beat it in 1995...  prior to its creation.




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