Author: Serge Desmarais
Date: 18:18:46 09/05/98
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On September 05, 1998 at 21:03:32, Fernando Villegas wrote: >On September 05, 1998 at 17:00:36, Serge Desmarais wrote: > >>On September 05, 1998 at 16:18:46, Fernando Villegas wrote: >> >>>On September 05, 1998 at 15:41:33, Serge Desmarais wrote: >>> >>>>On September 05, 1998 at 10:48:40, Fernando Villegas wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi srrge: >>>>>Well, you said it: a GM, being a human being, can subestimate an opponent!! A GM >>>>>maybe gets bore; a GM maybe want to piss. A computer does not. There our chance >>>>>is. Of course you are right in a lot of things that I also know; I wwas just >>>>>giving a new glance to this in order not to fall in a dogma. I have the feeling >>>>>that computer perfomance Vs humans has been sistematically downgraded. Look at >>>>>what we do ourselves: each time we are beaten we just forget the game: each >>>>>scarce time we get a draw or a winning, we rush to save the game and show it to >>>>>our friends and you sincerely have the impression you are thre great thing. I >>>>>have seen many master being defeated badly one game after another by my top >>>>>programs, but then they win just one and begin to laugh on the computer, "this >>>>>stupid beast". >>>>>regards >>>>>fernando >>>> >>>> >>>> An amateur who almost lose about ALL his games against a certain program will >>>>praise his first win! He will shaow it to you, giving and explaining all the >>>>variations and subvariations and what he intended to play if the computer had >>>>played this or that. It is like the same as beating Kasparov. If he beats me 99 >>>>times but in the 100th game he blunders, I will put the emphasis on THAT last >>>>game because it is above what could be expected and what the average game score >>>>was. >>>> >>>> As for the "stupid beast", I think that people feel uneasy about losing a >>>>game to a "thing", especially when it is a game of reflection and strategy! >>>>Masters are even more upset by that, since they are titled players and they has >>>>to achieve special results to get the title. Not so long ago, chess was seen as >>>>a game necessitating a good intelligence, while its best performers were >>>>regarded as Geniuses. Now, if a "thing", a unintelligent object, can do as good >>>>or better than them, maybe tis doesn't require any intelligence, after all? And >>>>this forces us to define more accurately the concept of "intelligence" or to >>>>include the computers amongst the intelligent "things" in the universe. Though, >>>>for me, a computer is not more intelligent than a toaster or a rock, I remember >>>>discussing it with a friend, once. He was saying that there was a gradation in >>>>intelligence and that a computer was "more" intelligent than a toaster, as >>>>intelligent as an ant, but less intelligent than a rat, for example! >>>> >>>Well, I would say that thins not only are intelligent, but even cunning and >>>perverse. Each time I talk about how good things are going on, if I do that near >>>my Renault, he lesson me and the following day he gets mad and I must expende >>>some money in repairs. The same with almost any appliance. Beware, the are >>>lessoning us all the time! >>>Fernando >> >> >> Yes! That is funny... That is true that sometimes the objects we use seem to >>do all they can to bother us : disappearing when you DO remember putting them in >>THIS drawer, refusing to work properly, breaking and all... There is a novel >>from Guy de Maupassant in which all the objects possessed my the main character >>leave his house! And he could do nothing to stop them! Of course, he thinks he >>has become mad at some point... >> >> >>Serge Desmarais > > >No matter how mad the character in the novel was, he is far to be so much mad >as us are. Think in this: we all have at least 20 programs -40 sould be a moore >exact number- and we still get ansious if we know that somewhere a new one is >available. How do you call THAT? >Fernando Fixation? Chess is one of the rare fields that can suscitate that obsession! And for us, the obsession is to ALWAYS possess the STRONGEST program available... Even if for us, as a players, playing a program rated at 2415 or 2550 doesn't make much difference! Serge Desmarais
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