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Subject: Re: About the Results of Poll 16

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:42:24 09/06/98

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On September 06, 1998 at 01:20:24, Larry S. Tamarkin wrote:

>Hi Bob:  Who did decide to post these questions?  Especially as you have stated
>for a long time that crafty will never became commercial (do I have that
>right?).


No idea about the origin.  However, you do have the non-commercial part correct.

>
>I have never downloaded crafty, partly out of inattention, partly out of always
>seeming to run out of extra disk space on what ever computer I've bought, and
>mostly because I have Fritz5, Rebel9 (not on the computer just now), and
>Genious5 Gold, and others.  But I really want Crafty!  I'd love it, if it became
>available on a CD with a custom opening book, and a feature set unique and
>different (hopefully better then a lot of other programs), and a game database
>which includes those many secrete battles between Crafty and Seirawan, Dzin and
>other famous GM and IM's on the ICC! If those players gave (were payed to
>give?)permision to 'out' themselves, so that we knew who they were, I'd pay
>whatever you wanted, just for that feature alone!!
>
>Of course I am something of a chess addict - I spend money that should go to the
>rent on chess stuff, so I know I don't represent the average guy who buys
>computer chess! (or do I?)
>
>What I do know is that:
>
>1. I'd love to have Crafty on a CD with its own interface and features that you
>designed, hopefully for a very reasonable price like $25 dollars.


this will happen at some point, but probably for 10 dollars.  A couple have done
this a couple of times and it can be convenient with the code, opening book,
winboard/xboard interfaces, tablebases, etc.  10 bucks is about what it would
cost to produce a CD without going to a commercial "CD burner" that would
require burning a thousand or so to get a break in price...  It won't be done
as a "profit-making" approach, just as a "break-even" attempt to make the
installation/set-up easier...




>
>2. If that can't happen I'd love to have Crafty, with its own opening book, as
>an engine in Fritz5, for a reasonable price, like $25 dollars.
>
>BTW, I think that all engine's for Fritz5 should be lowerd in price as their is
>now such a huge choice & variety.
>


this might happen for fritz 6, although the Crafty engine will remain free,
just like it is under chessbase 7...




>Lawrence S. Tamarkin
>mrlsug - the inkompetent chess software addict!
>
>PS - I've never played crafty (as far as I know), but I've watched some battles
>on the ICC.  I'm always most interested when the GM's or IM's identify
>themselves of course!
>
>
>On September 06, 1998 at 00:14:54, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On September 05, 1998 at 21:27:22, Fernando Villegas wrote:
>>
>>>I wonder what conclusion can be drawn from the fact that only  14% of people
>>>that answered the question would purchase Crafty, if commercially available in
>>>CD with the complete Book stuff, etc. Too pricy at 100 theoretical bucks? The
>>>percentage would have been better if Steven asked the same question but with a
>>>50 dollars mark? Refusal to pay for something that has been given since ever?
>>>Not enough valued as a program to be worthy of some expenses? A signal -I don't
>>>believe it- of saturation of the market? The feeling that "I already have Crafty
>>>and the new commercial version would be almost the same thing"?
>>>I wonder all this as much if we could answer it we could, at the same time,
>>>begin to discover the hidden and misterious secrets of the chess professiional
>>>market. What make a guy with already 30 programs to steal some dollars from his
>>>maybe narrow budget and ask for a new one? Which are the factors that makes of a
>>>program almost an irresistible temptation and that make of another, maybe
>>>better, a total failure? And finally, whatever the reasons, are the same we
>>>consciously would answer if asked about it in a poll?
>>>Yes: this is one of the most weird markets I have never known.
>>>Fernando
>>
>>
>>IMHO, it's a pointless question.  How many have played crafty?  interesting,
>>but only in the framework of how many have played Rebel, or genius, or whatever.
>>Otherwise, the number doesn't mean a thing.  How many would buy it?  Again
>>pointless, since it won't ever be for sale.  However, maybe it is not
>>particularly worth much to most, which is the way I would interpret the
>>responses...
>>
>>I didn't pick the questions, and wouldn't have picked the ones asked given the
>>chance myself...  I think it would be much more interesting to list all the
>>commercially available programs along with all the freely available programs
>>and see who has played against which...



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