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Subject: Re: Great Result for Fritz and puts to rest some questions.

Author: martin fierz

Date: 10:36:57 10/19/02

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On October 19, 2002 at 11:23:34, Mark Young wrote:

>A very disappointing end to the match
right!

>as a draw was accepted much too early by
>the Fritz team with this type of endgame structure. There was a good chance to
>gain the advantage for black in this endgame with little risk of losing.

i don't think so... the IQP is not always weak...

>The GM Kramnik vs. Deep Fritz match has put to rest some questions, or maybe
>not!
>
>1.	Do PC programs play at a GM Level? – Clearly Yes.
>
>2.	Can PC programs win against a well prepared and motivated Grand Master? –
>Yes.
>
>3.	Is it easy to force the PC programs into unfavorable position were the human
>has the advantage when the human player does not control the opening book? – No.
>
>4.	Was Deep Blue 1997 was much stronger then Deep Fritz and other PC programs? -
>No.
>
>5.	Can a PC program compete with the worlds best chess players even when it is
>for sale to the public and everyone has a chance to play against the program? –
>Yes.
>
>6.	Is it easy to trick a PC program with anti-computer tactics? – No.

you can't conclude that, for two reasons:
1) kramnik never even tried to play classical anti-computer games (close the
position and go for the king).
2) kramnik's anti-computer tactics consisted of exchanging the queen and beating
fritz in the endgame. this worked *very* well until the fritz team changed to
openings where the games stayed more complicated. so actually, he was beating
the PC program with his own flavor of anti-computer tactics, but the fritz team
saved fritz by changing the book!


>7.	Do computer programs have too many weaknesses in there play to let them be
>competitive with the worlds best chess players. Clearly No.
>
>8.	Will it take another 10 years before anyone can have a computer that plays as
>well as Deep Blue? No.
>
>9.	Do computers need to search many millions of nodes per second as Deep Blue
>did to be competitive with the world’s best player(s)? – No.

i have another conclusion to add to the list:

10. do todays super-GM-level computer programs still make mistakes that no 1600
player would make? yes. :-)

aloha
  martin




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