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Subject: Re: Survey proposal: Importance of Auto232 compatibility

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:07:13 09/11/98

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On September 11, 1998 at 05:06:34, Moritz Berger wrote:

>On September 10, 1998 at 22:19:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On September 10, 1998 at 21:14:21, Keith Ian Price wrote:
>>
>>>On September 10, 1998 at 13:11:24, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 09, 1998 at 21:26:18, Keith Ian Price wrote:
>
>>>>I agree totally.  the Auto232 standard is gross.  Completely gross.  There are
>>>>many better ways to accomplish this task.
><snip>
>>>>I would
>>>>be more than happy to sit down with a group and work out a standard
>>>>communication interface that is easy to implement, easy to parse, and easy to
>>>>understand how it is supposed to work.
>
>I don't think that your approach is likely to succeed:
>
>- before Auto232 there was no standard. None of the commercial guys even talked
>about this, there were always rumors about proprietary autoplayers to gain
>competitive advantage by testing against competitors.
>
>- it's hard enough to keep Auto232 in the present form as a default in
>commercial programs, e.g. just look at the Fritz 5 and Rebel 10 discussions.
>
>- Probably nobody will take the pains to retrofit your "hyatt autoplayer" onto
>Genius, Rebel, M-Chess, Hiarcs, Fritz, Shredder, Nimzo, ... An autoplayer that
>exclusively works with Crafty and Nero is worthless to me.
>
>
>Moritz

I won't argue, but an autoplayer that doesn't allow under-promotion is also
useless.  I once introduced a bug into xboard that broke underpromotion, and I
lost two games in a week as a result, one a drawn KNN vs KP where winboard
refused to let me underpromote to a knight which was a check.

Also, an autoplayer that is so touchy (timing-wise) is also less than useful.

And finally, one where the protocol is highly unusual and not well-defined
is just as bad.

Fortunately the winboard/xboard engine protocol is accepted by almost all the
freeware programs.  Which is a larger number of programs than those supporting
the archaic auto232 interface.  Perhaps time and numbers will settle this.
But clearly, auto232 is a poorly designed interface...



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