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Subject: Re: But, Re: Questions re P4 3.03 with HT ??

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 09:26:55 12/10/02

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On December 10, 2002 at 11:03:13, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:


>
>please read the data posting done here about crafty with mt=2 at a 3Ghz P4
>with SMT turned on.

That is _one_ test run, on a _very_ small set of positions, with a version of
Crafty
that is _known_ to have a problem with spinlocks/spinwaits on an SMT machine.
So what is your point?


>
>>
>>
>>>so is no good of a standard
>>>here. Also it is doing 2 probes in 2 different hashtables which i cannot
>>>do even in DIEP (too slow for me) i do 8 probes in 1 hashtable sequential
>>>(so a good bandwidth is helping diep more than it is crafty for example).
>>>
>>>My own testing at the machines you mentionned, with exception of the
>>>3.0Ghz P4, i found that for the newer generation P4s the speed
>>>difference is only 1.5 for 133Mhz versus 133Mhz bus.
>>
>>What in the world does that mean???
>
>Ah bad memory of you and not 100% clear sentence of me:

No bad memory of me.  You said "difference of only 1.5 for 133mhz vs 133mhz"
so there is _no_ memory issue there.  There _is_ a writing issue.  _yours_.  If
I
read correctly, 133 == 133, yet you say 133 is 1.5X faster than 133.  And that
is
a "bad memory" on my part?  Thought so...  :)


>
>1 Ghz K7 = 1.7Ghz P4  (old core with 100Mhz quad pumped rdram versus 133Mhz
>                       memory of k7)
>
>new core (ddr ram especially both 133Mhz now)
>
>1 Ghz K7 = 1.5ghz P4 but now you must see it as 1.6Ghz K7 == 2.4Ghz P4
>for DIEP that is.
>
>For WARP it was better than that.
>
>
>No as you can see in the posted data, crafty had a 13-16% speedup at
>a single cpu P4 at 3 Ghz with MT=2.

On that one set of positions.  I posted _other_ data as well...

You need to stop quoting things as "absolute fact" when there is so much
variability.  Particularly things like "needs less nodes with mt=2" as that is
total nonsense for the average case and only happens in unique cases.

>>>>Vincent



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