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Subject: Re: show me

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 21:21:38 12/17/02

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On December 17, 2002 at 16:45:37, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On December 17, 2002 at 11:46:57, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On December 17, 2002 at 11:29:19, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>hello Bob,
>>
>>please do the same tests i did with DIEP too with crafty.
>>
>>Of course as you always say that doing a few tests proof nothing,
>>please repeat them twice.
>>
>>For me doing a test twice with crafty is sufficient.
>
>I generally say "your doing a few tests proves nothing."  "Why?" you ask?
>Because
>you seem incapable of understanding simple ideas.  Remember your nonsense about
>"on a dual Crafty runs _no_ faster at all here..."???  So if I remain a bit
>suspicious of

it was not doing anything weird that test. i was running analyze modus in
crafty and you have no asymmetric king safety. I did all my tests like
that in fact with crafty *always*. wonder why you have different forms
of crafty within the same program even!

why not always turn it off or on?

note i also have a dual K7.

Well i guess you gotta pay a price to get a wintel license...
...your choice.


>any number(s) you report, there is a reason for it...
>
>
>I ran 24 positions twice and reported the NPS for 1 thread, no SMT, two threads,
>no SMT,
>three threads, SMT on, and  four threads, SMT on.
>
>What more can I run???

you could email it to diep@xs4all.nl those runs. i love to
calculate it with an objective calculator. yours also probably
didn't show a 12.7% speedup for the position below.

it's impossible for me to believe crafty having a nps speedup
better than 20% for SMT (2 threads with SMT turned off
versus 4 threads smt turned on).

20% is the maximum HT as is in the 2.8 Xeon could give
to a decent program.

No 100% like in Nalimov dreams. No 30-50 either.

>
>>
>>I am especially interested in the completed logs too so that we all can
>>see what mainline you took to compare the speedup and absolute speeds
>>in nps.
>
>All I reported was NPS.  I'm not going to post such a huge wad of output here.
>I will
>take one position from each of the four tests and give you those.  I have no
>idea what you
>mean by "what mainline you took to compare the speedup and absolute speeds in
>NPS."
>I didn't take _any_ mainline.  I didn't report _any_ speedup.  I only reported
>the increase in
>raw NPS numbers.  So the rest of your query simply makes no sense to me.  This
>is not about
>parallel search efficiency.  It is about whether SMT speeds things up or not,
>and the answer (so
>far) is clearly "yes it does."
>
>This is the last position from the 24 I ran.  It is one of the Kopec positions
>but It
>doesn't say which one.  The position  is this (FEN):
>3rn2k/ppb2rpp/2ppqp2/5N2/2P1P3/1P5Q/PB3PPP/3RR1K1 w
>
>Run 1.  one thread, no SMT:
>White(1): move
>              clearing hash tables
>              time surplus   0.00  time limit 166:39 (166:39)
>              depth   time  score   variation (1)
>                1     0.00   0.81   1. Bd4
>                1->   0.00   0.81   1. Bd4
>                2     0.00   0.73   1. Bd4 Bb6
>                2->   0.00   0.73   1. Bd4 Bb6
>                3     0.00     --   1. Bd4
>                3     0.00   0.29   1. Bd4 g6 2. Nh6 Qxh3 3. gxh3
>                3     0.01   0.58   1. Nh6 Re7 2. Qxe6 Rxe6
>                3     0.01   0.63   1. Qf3 g6 2. Nh6
>                3->   0.01   0.63   1. Qf3 g6 2. Nh6
>                4     0.01   0.53   1. Qf3 g6 2. Nh6 Re7
>                4     0.01   0.58   1. Nh6 Re7 2. Qxe6 Rxe6
>                4->   0.04   0.58   1. Nh6 Re7 2. Qxe6 Rxe6
>                5     0.04     ++   1. Nh6!!
>                5     0.05   2.19   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                5->   0.06   2.19   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                6     0.06   2.40   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Bd4
>                6->   0.10   2.40   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Bd4
>                7     0.11   2.32   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Bd4 Bb6
>                7->   0.16   2.32   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Bd4 Bb6
>                8     0.20   2.31   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 b5 5. cxb5 cxb5
>                8->   0.33   2.31   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 b5 5. cxb5 cxb5
>                9     0.37   2.34   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Ba5 5. Rg1 Ke6
>                9->   0.54   2.34   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Ba5 5. Rg1 Ke6
>               10     0.61   2.41   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Ba5 5. Rg1 b5 6. cxb5 cxb5
>               10->   1.49   2.41   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Ba5 5. Rg1 b5 6. cxb5 cxb5
>               11     1.62   2.37   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Bb6 5. Kf3 Nc7 6. Rg1 d5 7.
>                                    cxd5 cxd5
>               11->   3.93   2.37   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Bb6 5. Kf3 Nc7 6. Rg1 d5 7.
>                                    cxd5 cxd5
>               12     4.22   2.46   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Rd7 5. Kf3 Re7 6. a4 Bb6 7.
>                                    Rg1
>               12->   7.90   2.46   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Rd7 5. Kf3 Re7 6. a4 Bb6 7.
>                                    Rg1
>               13     8.84   2.34   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Bb6 5. Kf3 Nc7 6. Ba3 Ke7 7.
>                                    Bb4 Ne6
>               13->  25.57   2.34   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Bb6 5. Kf3 Nc7 6. Ba3 Ke7 7.
>                                    Bb4 Ne6
>              time=25.57  cpu=99%  mat=0  n=31129467  fh=94%  nps=1217k
>              ext-> chk=917605 cap=59244 pp=3275 1rep=119119 mate=34241
>              predicted=0  nodes=31129467  evals=3804978
>              endgame tablebase-> probes done=0  successful=0
>              SMP->  split=0  stop=0  data=0/64  cpu=25.50  elap=25.57
>
>Run 2:  two threads, no SMT:
>
>              depth   time  score   variation (1)
>starting thread 1
>                1     0.00   0.81   1. Bd4
>                1->   0.00   0.81   1. Bd4
>                2     0.00   0.73   1. Bd4 Bb6
>                2->   0.00   0.73   1. Bd4 Bb6
>                3     0.00     --   1. Bd4
>                3     0.00   0.29   1. Bd4 g6 2. Nh6 Qxh3 3. gxh3
>                3     0.00   0.58   1. Nh6 Re7 2. Qxe6 Rxe6
>                3     0.01   0.63   1. Qf3 g6 2. Nh6
>                3->   0.07   0.63   1. Qf3 g6 2. Nh6
>                4     0.07   0.53   1. Qf3 g6 2. Nh6 Re7
>                4     0.07   0.58   1. Nh6 Re7 2. Qxe6 Rxe6
>                4->   0.10   0.58   1. Nh6 Re7 2. Qxe6 Rxe6
>                5     0.10     ++   1. Nh6!!
>                5     0.11   2.19   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                5->   0.14   2.19   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                6     0.15   2.40   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Bd4
>                6->   0.17   2.40   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Bd4 (s=4)
>                7     0.18   2.32   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Bd4 Bb6 (s=3)
>                7->   0.35   2.32   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Bd4 Bb6 (s=6)
>                8     0.37   2.31   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 b5 5. cxb5 cxb5 (s=5)
>                8->   0.50   2.31   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 b5 5. cxb5 cxb5 (s=4)
>                9     0.57   2.34   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Ba5 5. Rg1 Ke6 (s=3)
>                9->   0.73   2.34   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Ba5 5. Rg1 Ke6 (s=5)
>               10     0.78   2.41   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Ba5 5. Rg1 b5 6. cxb5 cxb5 (s=4)
>               10->   1.38   2.41   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Ba5 5. Rg1 b5 6. cxb5 cxb5 (s=8)
>               11     1.49   2.37   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Bb6 5. Kf3 Nc7 6. Rg1 d5 7.
>                                    cxd5 cxd5 (s=7)
>               11->   2.98   2.37   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Bb6 5. Kf3 Nc7 6. Rg1 d5 7.
>                                    cxd5 cxd5 (s=10)
>               12     3.19   2.46   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Rd7 5. Kf3 Re7 6. a4 Bb6 7.
>                                    Rg1 (s=9)
>               12->   6.02   2.46   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Rd7 5. Kf3 Re7 6. a4 Bb6 7.
>                                    Rg1 (s=9)
>               13     6.70   2.34   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Bb6 5. Kf3 Nc7 6. Ba3 Ke7 7.
>                                    Bb4 Ne6 (s=8)
>               13->  18.42   2.34   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Bb6 5. Kf3 Nc7 6. Ba3 Ke7 7.
>                                    Bb4 Ne6 (s=12)
>              time=18.42  cpu=188%  mat=0  n=34809013  fh=94%  nps=1889k
>              ext-> chk=992883 cap=70671 pp=5213 1rep=135350 mate=27885
>              predicted=0  nodes=34809013  evals=4659923
>              endgame tablebase-> probes done=0  successful=0
>              SMP->  split=761  stop=38  data=7/64  cpu=34.74  elap=18.42
>
>Run three:  three threads, SMT _on_:
>
>White(1): move
>              clearing hash tables
>              time surplus   0.00  time limit 166:39 (166:39)
>              depth   time  score   variation (1)
>starting thread 1
>starting thread 2
>                1     0.00   0.81   1. Bd4
>                1->   0.01   0.81   1. Bd4
>                2     0.01   0.73   1. Bd4 Bb6
>                2->   0.01   0.73   1. Bd4 Bb6
>                3     0.01     --   1. Bd4
>                3     0.01   0.29   1. Bd4 g6 2. Nh6 Qxh3 3. gxh3
>                3     0.01   0.58   1. Nh6 Re7 2. Qxe6 Rxe6
>                3     0.02   0.63   1. Qf3 g6 2. Nh6
>                3->   0.08   0.63   1. Qf3 g6 2. Nh6
>                4     0.08   0.53   1. Qf3 g6 2. Nh6 Re7
>                4     0.09   0.58   1. Nh6 Re7 2. Qxe6 Rxe6
>                4->   0.10   0.58   1. Nh6 Re7 2. Qxe6 Rxe6
>                5     0.11     ++   1. Nh6!!
>                5     0.11   2.19   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                5->   0.16   2.19   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                6     0.17   2.40   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Bd4
>                6->   0.19   2.40   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Bd4 (s=4)
>                7     0.20   2.32   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Bd4 Bb6 (s=3)
>                7->   0.24   2.32   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Bd4 Bb6 (s=7)
>                8     0.26   2.31   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 b5 5. cxb5 cxb5 (s=6)
>                8->   0.36   2.31   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 b5 5. cxb5 cxb5 (s=4)
>                9     0.38   2.34   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Ba5 5. Rg1 Ke6 (s=3)
>                9->   0.50   2.34   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Ba5 5. Rg1 Ke6 (s=5)
>               10     0.54   2.41   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Ba5 5. Rg1 b5 6. cxb5 cxb5 (s=4)
>               10->   1.07   2.41   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Ba5 5. Rg1 b5 6. cxb5 cxb5 (s=8)
>               11     1.16   2.37   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Bb6 5. Kf3 Nc7 6. Rg1 d5 7.
>                                    cxd5 cxd5 (s=7)
>               11->   2.66   2.37   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Bb6 5. Kf3 Nc7 6. Rg1 d5 7.
>                                    cxd5 cxd5 (s=10)
>               12     2.86   2.46   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Rd7 5. Kf3 Re7 6. a4 Bb6 7.
>                                    Rg1 (s=9)
>               12->   5.40   2.46   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Rd7 5. Kf3 Re7 6. a4 Bb6 7.
>                                    Rg1 (s=8)
>               13     6.02   2.34   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Bb6 5. Kf3 Nc7 6. Ba3 Ke7 7.
>                                    Bb4 Ne6 (s=7)
>               13->  17.69   2.34   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Bb6 5. Kf3 Nc7 6. Ba3 Ke7 7.
>                                    Bb4 Ne6 (s=13)
>              time=17.69  cpu=296%  mat=0  n=38066840  fh=94%  nps=2151k
>              ext-> chk=1076447 cap=74646 pp=5437 1rep=149438 mate=35093
>              predicted=0  nodes=38066840  evals=5253700
>              endgame tablebase-> probes done=0  successful=0
>              SMP->  split=2994  stop=217  data=15/64  cpu=52.47  elap=17.69
>
>Run four:  four threads, SMT _on_:
>
>White(1): move
>              clearing hash tables
>              time surplus   0.00  time limit 166:39 (166:39)
>              depth   time  score   variation (1)
>starting thread 1
>starting thread 2
>starting thread 3
>                1     0.00   0.81   1. Bd4
>                1->   0.03   0.81   1. Bd4
>                2     0.06   0.73   1. Bd4 Bb6
>                2->   0.10   0.73   1. Bd4 Bb6
>                3     0.10     --   1. Bd4
>                3     0.11   0.29   1. Bd4 g6 2. Nh6 Qxh3 3. gxh3
>                3     0.11   0.58   1. Nh6 Re7 2. Qxe6 Rxe6
>                3     0.11   0.63   1. Qf3 g6 2. Nh6
>                3->   0.14   0.63   1. Qf3 g6 2. Nh6
>                4     0.14   0.53   1. Qf3 g6 2. Nh6 Re7
>                4     0.14   0.58   1. Nh6 Re7 2. Qxe6 Rxe6
>                4->   0.15   0.58   1. Nh6 Re7 2. Qxe6 Rxe6
>                5     0.16     ++   1. Nh6!!
>                5     0.19   2.19   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                5->   0.20   2.19   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                6     0.20   2.40   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Bd4
>                6->   0.28   2.40   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Bd4 (s=4)
>                7     0.35   2.32   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Bd4 Bb6 (s=3)
>                7->   0.43   2.32   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Bd4 Bb6 (s=7)
>                8     0.45   2.31   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 b5 5. cxb5 cxb5 (s=6)
>                8->   0.60   2.31   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 b5 5. cxb5 cxb5 (s=4)
>                9     0.65   2.34   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Ba5 5. Rg1 Ke6 (s=3)
>                9->   0.76   2.34   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Ba5 5. Rg1 Ke6 (s=5)
>               10     0.83   2.41   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Ba5 5. Rg1 b5 6. cxb5 cxb5 (s=4)
>               10->   1.36   2.41   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Ba5 5. Rg1 b5 6. cxb5 cxb5 (s=8)
>               11     1.46   2.37   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Bb6 5. Kf3 Nc7 6. Rg1 d5 7.
>                                    cxd5 cxd5 (s=7)
>               11->   3.06   2.37   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Bb6 5. Kf3 Nc7 6. Rg1 d5 7.
>                                    cxd5 cxd5 (s=10)
>               12     3.27   2.46   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Rd7 5. Kf3 Re7 6. a4 Bb6 7.
>                                    Rg1 (s=9)
>               12->   5.66   2.46   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Rd7 5. Kf3 Re7 6. a4 Bb6 7.
>                                    Rg1 (s=8)
>               13     6.34   2.34   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Bb6 5. Kf3 Nc7 6. Ba3 Ke7 7.
>                                    Bb4 Ne6 (s=7)
>               13->  16.09   2.34   1. Nh6 Qxh3 2. Nxf7+ Kg8 3. gxh3 Kxf7
>                                    4. Kg2 Bb6 5. Kf3 Nc7 6. Ba3 Ke7 7.
>                                    Bb4 Ne6 (s=13)
>              time=16.09  cpu=377%  mat=0  n=36609790  fh=94%  nps=2275k
>              ext-> chk=1035481 cap=72332 pp=4034 1rep=144147 mate=40133
>              predicted=0  nodes=36609790  evals=4935572
>              endgame tablebase-> probes done=0  successful=0
>              SMP->  split=5501  stop=394  data=16/64  cpu=1:00  elap=16.09
>
>
>
>
>>>>>parallel search overhead, you have a problem on _normal_ SMP machines as well.
>>>>
>>>>Indeed it is true that the first seconds the HT/SMT gives big problems
>>>>in speed. Only after a couple of minutes the speed shows. I see only
>>>>a speedup after a minute or 3 each position.
>>>
>>>So?  That is _your_ program's results.  Mine are just like they have always
>>>been.  I get a reasonable speedup whether it is one second per move or one
>>>hour per move.  No difference.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I need to add however that i could improve a few issues in this version
>>>>which could get that down to 1 minute but like you i doubt whether the 11.4%
>>>>of HT is worth it.
>>>
>>>11.4% is _always_ worth it IMHO...
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I prefer a dual AMD instead for the moment!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Nothing wrong with that.  I got the dual xeon because I wanted a chance to play
>>>with the SMT stuff since it is obviously going to be "the future" of
>>>microprocessor
>>>architecture...



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