Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 07:28:48 09/20/98
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On September 20, 1998 at 03:08:50, Ed Schröder wrote: >>Here is why, and why what you suggest is not fair. > >>Assume that person A is convicted of an offense and is sentenced to serve ten >>years in prison. After five years he hasn't knifed anybody, he seems to have a >>good attitude, and the prison is getting full, so you parole the guy. > >>Assume that person B is convicted of an offense and is sentenced to serve ten >>years in prison. After five years it is discovered that he didn't commit the >>offense, or perhaps it is determined that something else is fatally wrong with >>the way person B was tried. In this case, the guy is released. > >>There is a difference between paroling the guy and releasing the guy. In both >>cases the guy is out of prison. But in the first case, there are restrictions >>placed upon him. In the second case there are no restrictions. And in the >>first case the man has to live with having been convicted, and in the second >>case the system has to live with having convicted him unfairly. > >>I do not believe that moderation should be used to settle personal scores, >>which is what I believe happened last year. I think that was an awful >decision, and >>even worse, an awful precedent. It should not be possible for a moderator to >>restrict someone's CCC account as a means of settling a personal dispute. > >That's a huge accusation Bruce. > >You are entitled to have that opinion. Putting your (this) opinion in public >(without proof) is a personal attack on a x number of people of the >founder group. CCC was created to escape from personal attacks and >now you (NB being a moderator) without any reason start a personal >attack on a x number of people. > >Wish you take it back. > >- Ed - > > >>bruce I personally believe he is correct. Chris started the bandwagon rolling by making incessant demands that Rolf be excised *now*. Nothing wrong with his doing so. Others agreed (I did originally, but changed my mind after seeing comments by Bruce and Steve). I originally agreed because I, too, had been involved in far too many battles with Rolf and did not want to see them propogate to CCC which they most certainly would have. So I believe that *all* of us had personal reasons for the decision. Bruce was against it from day 1. And never changed. Steve was against it from day 1 too, but didn't really have a vote as one of the "founders". I was for it for a few days, then against it, but eventually posted my "I am still against this but will go along with the democratic majority...". However, the one thing I *hate* about the decision is that we did it at a sort of "kangaroo court" proceeding. For those that don't know, these "courts" work like this, in general: You find something you don't like that someone does, *then* you make a rule (law) that makes act illegal, then you convict the person of breaking that law and punish him for it. Ignore the fact that when the person performed this "act" there was no law forbiding it. This was clearly done in the case of Rolf. Probably quite justified based on how he had behaved in r.g.c.c, but it was done nonetheless, without any sort of rule to base the decision on. We can all say that this was still a reasonable decision. But how would we feel if this happened to *us*?? That is *the*point here...
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