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Subject: Re: Does your program resign here? (or better: is it evaluated correctly

Author: Andreas Guettinger

Date: 08:45:10 01/11/03

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On January 11, 2003 at 10:53:09, Uri Blass wrote:

>On January 11, 2003 at 10:25:57, Andreas Guettinger wrote:
>
>>On January 11, 2003 at 08:31:44, Lieven Clarisse wrote:
>>
>>>This is most probably a well known position (pasted below). But ruffian resigns
>>>here (5 min/game PIII 450 64MB hash). I think this kind of situation can be
>>>easily dealt with: if the evaluation score for the initial position is equal to
>>>that, after 25 ply (for instance) for the best line, than the score for that
>>>position should set to 0.00. In other words, if the engine can't make any
>>>progress after a certain number of moves, it is draw; no mather how inbalanced
>>>the material is for both sides.
>>>
>>>
>>>[D] 7k/8/1p1p1p1p/pPpPpPpP/P1P1P1P1/8/1RK5/1R6 b - - 0 1
>>
>>
>>I completely agree. Material may tell the programm that white is better, but if
>>no progress can be made then the engine can as well output 0.00 because it
>>doesn't see a win. In addition you could also easily check if the position
>>allows captureing of pieces in the search tree, and if no capture can be found
>>in the whole search tree, then evidence is strong that it is a draw.
>
>This condition does not happen and program can find a lot of captures in the
>search tree.
>
>There are ways to solve the problem but not the way that you suggest.
>
>Uri

Maybe not im rook endgames, but in bishop endgames it is often the case.

Anyway, in the above position there is also no capture that make doesn't lose a
rook immediately. :)

regards Andy



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