Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 04:03:31 02/04/03
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On February 04, 2003 at 01:42:21, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >On February 03, 2003 at 19:05:27, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>On February 03, 2003 at 18:54:54, Peter Hegger wrote: >> >>> >>>...how is it that they now consistently play at the 2700-2800 level? Against >>>Kramnik (2810), against Bareev (2729), and now against Kasparov (2807), a >>>program is turning in a 2807 performance and very much _holding its own_ >>>Calling any modern program a 2500 player is akin to calling the above mentioned >>>super GM's 2500 players. >>>It also looks to me as though the SSDF list is getting closer to the reality of >>>the true state of program prowess than (admittedly) it use to be. >>>Any comments welcome. >>>Regards, >>>Peter >> >>A pity that you do not read. Show events are NOT a possible tool to calculate >>the strength. And hard competition doesn't exist. That's it. I still hold >>that comps are 2400 at best in fierce tournament chess. >> >> >>Rolf Tueschen > >Hi Rolf >I agree for the simple reason that spoken for myself (1980-200O ELO) I still get >a score of about 30 percent vs the top programs, of course without playing >anticomputerchess. And if the comps should have 2700 ELO and more, it would >almost be impossible for me to get a draw. Please also have a look at >http://www.skpfaeffikon.ch/Utzinger/Downloads/MyChessViewer/man.htm >Kurt Hi Kurt, I read your reports of course, and I can't claim that I had invented the positions I try to describe here. I think that you made one of the best demonstrations. Many can't understand or accept it. How could it happen that if comps were GM you can beat or draw a comp with the necessary technique, but you even played relatively normal chess IMO, and why is that impossible against a real GM, agreed who is not completely drunken. The answer is so simple. Because against a comp you know - with the certain experience - exactly the range of play. If you lose respect the tension goes away and you can concentrate on sound chess. And often people say the comps play without faults. Wrong! They make so many faults positionally that it's not too difficult to exploit it with the necessary experience. And one thing you know for sure. Comps have NO way to avoid such mistakes. I think that game 4 in the actual event showed it. But Kasparov is not experienced or motivated enough to exploit. DJ played really bad moves. h3 & f3 - thank you for the black holes! But also thank you Kasparov that you tried to avoid any massive actions. Kurt, did you understand why Kasparov castrated the hedgehog to absolute passivity?? I always learned that you start a counter attack by d5 for example. Hehe. Ah, against a comp you can't try it, a verdict on a server??? But then why do you play the hedgehog AT ALL? Ok, let's not ask too many question, Kasparov won't answer even one.
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