Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 04:20:46 02/04/03
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On February 03, 2003 at 20:56:58, Peter Hegger wrote: >On February 03, 2003 at 19:05:27, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>On February 03, 2003 at 18:54:54, Peter Hegger wrote: >> >>> >>>...how is it that they now consistently play at the 2700-2800 level? Against >>>Kramnik (2810), against Bareev (2729), and now against Kasparov (2807), a >>>program is turning in a 2807 performance and very much _holding its own_ >>>Calling any modern program a 2500 player is akin to calling the above mentioned >>>super GM's 2500 players. >>>It also looks to me as though the SSDF list is getting closer to the reality of >>>the true state of program prowess than (admittedly) it use to be. >>>Any comments welcome. >>>Regards, >>>Peter >> >>A pity that you do not read. Show events are NOT a possible tool to calculate >>the strength. And hard competition doesn't exist. That's it. I still hold >>that comps are 2400 at best in fierce tournament chess. >> >> >>Rolf Tueschen > >Rolf, >Chess Tiger 14 had a 2788 TPR (all against strong humans) at a tournament in >Argentina. This venue was hardly a "show" event. >These were "fierce" tournament opponents that weren't about to tank their games >against CT14 for any reason. >Regards, >Peter Very good argument. Ok, I do not know these players. I think we had the same debate already whe Fritz played the Dutch Championships. The crucial point is IMO what "fierce" means. I wouldn't call such events a complete show event but still I can't see why the masters there should have had a great interest to crush Tiger? How do you know something about their motivation? With fierce I meant that really something is at stake that human players think that it's the right moment now to begin to fight. As a group you know. BTW did you read something about a ranking of corruption in international ranges? I'm not joking. I am sure that in a certain statistical dimensions each player in such a country has his own special way to digest the fact that suddenly a program is participating. Why if not for business interests (ok, in the typical ranges in chess, say for mice dimensions) should that have been organized? And don't you see the method? Tiger played in Argentina. Fritz played in Bahrain? Where's that? Perhaps Shredder will play in Waikiki, just to make a little joke. Who knows where you could interest someone to get into the International Press. You see what is the result if we organize such events in New York. Then a player could get out of control on press conferences. While fairy tales coming from Bahrain make a much more conclusive impression. :) Rolf Tueschen
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