Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: Re: Difficulties

Author: Peter Kappler

Date: 09:46:04 02/04/03

Go up one level in this thread


On February 04, 2003 at 08:05:21, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On February 04, 2003 at 00:39:05, Peter Kappler wrote:
>
>>On February 03, 2003 at 23:28:21, Will Singleton wrote:
>>
>>>On February 03, 2003 at 19:45:29, Peter McKenzie wrote:
>>>
>>>><snip>
>>>>>A pity that you do not read.   Show events are NOT a possible tool to calculate
>>>>>the strength.   And hard competition doesn't exist.   That's it.   I still hold
>>>>>that comps are 2400 at best in fierce tournament chess.
>>>>
>>>>haha
>>><snip much laughter)
>>>
>>>Not the best debating technique.  fwiw, I agree with Rolf.  The games are
>>>interesting, and I enjoy analyzing them with my program, but there is no real
>>>competition here at all.  It's not a sham, but it's not real, either.
>>>
>>>I was going to compare this to pro wrestling, but it really is more like boxing.
>>> Boxing appears to most people as a legitimate competition, and sometimes it is.
>>> But the way money is made is to divide the purses, sometimes over several
>>>fights.  Then there's the gambling aspect, which applies to both.
>>>
>>>It is a show, and the gullible are taken in.  That's fine, I don't care that
>>>much.  It's obvious how to make it real, but that won't happen, there's too much
>>>to be made on the show.  If anyone believes Kasp and Kram were actually trying
>>>their best in their respective matches, then there's nothing I can say to >change your minds.
>>>
>>>Will
>>
>>
>>Will, I'm surprised.  I expected this from Rolf and some of the other conspiracy
>>theorists, but not from you.
>
>Please behave here in CCC. Calling people conspiracy theorists. You don't know
>what you are talking about!
>

Call yourself whatever you like.  Conspiracy theorist is one of the kindest
descriptions I could think of.


>
>>
>>Kasparov is already a multi-millionaire.  He doesn't need the money.
>
>
>How do you know? He has lost half of his money in wild speculations. And he's
>greedy! Duh!
>
>
>
>>Having
>>watched him play for almost 20 years, I'm convinced that he is motivated by
>>pride and ego *much* more than money.
>
>
>You've watched him play for 20 years! And therefore you can reason properly and
>be a rocket chess scientist? What a hoax. People who publish their opinions here
>are discriminated as conspiracy theorists by you and you think that you can
>judge anything at all? Get real, man! Pride? If pride would guide him he
>wouldn't appear on press conferences like a mad kid. How could you judge that?
>Ego. A concept mostly misunderstood by lay. At least you should stop to insult
>people as xonspiracy theorist. Otherwise I call you an exorcist. Ok?
>

LOL.  Exorcist is fine with me.  That's pretty much exactly the role I'm playing
here.

>
>>
>>If you think Kasparov is intentionally playing bad moves to keep the match
>>interesting, please point out the mistakes along with the clearly better move he
>>could have played.  I can only think of 32. Rh5 and 33. Ng6+, both from game 3,
>>and the refutation is a fairly deep and complex line - the kind that even
>>Kasparov can miscalculate.
>
>Perhaps for your understanding of chess. But to Kasparov Nd4 is cake.


Here is the only line that refutes it.  32. Rh5 Nxd4 33. Ng6+ Kg8 34. Ne7+ Kf8
35. Rxh7 Nb3+ 35. Kc2 Na1+ 36. Kc3 Qd2+ 37. Kc4 b5+ 38. Kc5 Qd6++

Completely refreshed, I agree that Kasparov should see that pretty easily, but
after 4 hours of play, fatigue can make you miss moves like 35. Na1+

>Don't
>bother to answer my statement that the hedgehog without counter attack is a
>rotten egg! Thank you. Stop copying too much from what others said, begin to
>think on your own! Thank you.
>

Speaking of thinking on your own, please provide some concrete analysis of the
b5 and/or d5 breaks that were available to Kasparov.  Just a few lines that
clearly improve on his play should be sufficient.  Thank you.


>>
>>I think if you compare the quality of these games with the quality of his games
>>against top-level GMs, you won't find much disparity.
>
>
>ROFL
>

Again, please provide some analysis of the obvious blunders, along with your
improvements.


>
>
>>
>>Finally, are you sure you're a strong enough chess player to make such strong
>>judgments about the quality of his play?
>
>Mean ad hominem! Are _you_ strong enough? No, I know that you don't understand
>these games. Not different from his other GM games. LOL
>

Yes, I think I am probably strong enough.  IMO the games have been of a very
high quality.

I look forward to seeing your analysis that improves on Kasparov's play.  Rest
assured that I will ignore any reply from you that does not contain analysis of
specific variations.

-Peter



This page took 0 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.