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Subject: Re: Statistical methods and their consequences

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 12:44:07 02/14/03

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On February 14, 2003 at 14:56:38, Bob Durrett wrote:

>On February 14, 2003 at 09:27:26, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>On February 14, 2003 at 08:43:12, Bob Durrett wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Excellent points.  The "bottom line" is that SSDF presented their findings
>>>properly, but the problem is in interpretation.  SSDF cannot be held responsible
>>>for errors in interpretation.
>>>
>>>Bob D.
>>
>>
>>Wrong conclusion. I tried to explain the points but apparently it's a bit too
>>difficult. In short : If you use a system of statistics you are not allowed to
>>make your own presentation. The presentation by SSDF is FALSE. That is the
>>point. False and unallowed. Instead of 1., 2., 3., they should say 1.-3., not
>>should, but must, if the differences in the actual results are way smaller than
>>the error in the tests itself. Is that impossible to understand?
>>
>>Rolf Tueschen
>
>I am only human.  I can err too!
>
>To me, the data does NOT demonstrate that one program is better than the other.
>The exception would be when a program at the top of the list is compared to a
>program at the bottom of the list.
>
>I do not believe that SSDF has made enough tests to clearly demonstrate, beyond
>any possible shadow of a doubt, that one program is clearly best and the other
>is second best.  However, they do present the results they have, however
>inconclusive, IMHO.  The order in which the programs are listed does not bother
>me.  Should they be listed in a different order?  The data would still be the
>same as far as I can tell.
>
>Bob D.

Doesn't bother me either. But did you never see the expression "new number one
of SSDF"?

I see the actual tradition as a sort of profiting from a nice competition
called: "People please participate in our "tests". Our number one will sell a
great bit more products". Add-on: "Unfortunately ONLY our number one has these
effects. Sorry." - So, by force it's a form of lottery. Now if the system would
be water tight, then it were ok. But you - an intellectual oversee my main
point. You can become number one with 1 point advance ad 60 point deviation
range. Excuse me, this is simply bad and unfair for the second place or even the
third and forth.

Rolf Tueschen



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