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Subject: Re: Some Crafty 16.19 results on my XP 2.44GHz

Author: Matt Taylor

Date: 22:06:24 02/18/03

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On February 19, 2003 at 00:52:09, enrico carrisco wrote:

>On February 19, 2003 at 00:19:41, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On February 19, 2003 at 00:11:08, Aaron Gordon wrote:
>>
>>>I just downloaded Crafty 16.19 and ran a bench for you guys. No single cpu Intel
>>>box could ever touch this without sub-zero cooling. Just plain not going to
>>>happen.
>>>
>>>Crafty v16.19
>>>
>>>White(1): bench
>>>Running benchmark. . .
>>>......
>>>Total nodes: 67136136
>>>Raw nodes per second: 1766740
>>>Total elapsed time: 38
>>>SMP time-to-ply measurement: 16.842105
>>
>>
>>This is not a great test since that is a very old version.  I'm not sure how
>>1.7M compares to version 19.3 in nps...
>>
>>However, while on the question, what is an XP 2.44ghz machine, since I am not
>>an AMD expert.  Overclocked?  If so, I consider that a worthless number, because
>>of obvious reasons...
>
>
>If done properly and tested for reliability -- what reasons do you speak of?
>Most CPUs are purposely locked from higher than marked performance from the
>manufacturer for marketing and other reasons -- both Intel and AMD.  This, in no
>way, means the CPU is incapable of such performance.

Propigation delays do. Intel and AMD release chips at a given speed for a
reason. Yes, much of it is about money. It is very profittable to allow
consumers to upgrade through every iteration of a chip. Not always. Intel
delayed the 1.13 GHz Pentium 3 for a while. I've heard that they could not mass
produce them reliably at the time.

>In the case of AMD, chips with the same stepping are identical no matter what
>they're marked. So if a 1500+ AthlonXP has an AIUHB 0301 core and an AthlonXP
>2800+ has an AIUHB 0301 then they'll be able to run identical speeds.
>(Obviously there are slight variations in peak performance, if you're going for
>higher than XP3000+ level.)
>
>Are you suggesting that "unlocking" performance that is already included in the
>core simply because the marking on the top of the cpu says otherwise makes such
>results worthless?

No, he is suggesting that comparing unguaranteed performance is worthless and
silly. You might stick a peltier on your chip, tweak the voltage, and manage to
run 2.8 GHz or something similarly fast. That doesn't mean I can. That doesn't
mean anyone else can.

>Wouldn't that be the same as saying stronger results I may find with Crafty if I
>modified the settings are completely worthless if you did not include the
>settings in your official release?

Modifying Crafty compile settings doesn't cause it to crash all of a sudden.
Furthermore, anyone can apply those same settings and get the same results.

-Matt



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