Author: Aaron Gordon
Date: 22:05:46 02/21/03
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On February 22, 2003 at 00:31:38, Charles Worthington wrote: >On February 21, 2003 at 23:52:51, Charles Worthington wrote: > >>On Febronuary 21, 2003 at 23:48:41, Charles Worthington wrote: >> >>>On February 21, 2003 at 19:57:10, Aaron Gordon wrote: >>> >>>>On February 21, 2003 at 18:02:39, Charles Worthington wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 21, 2003 at 17:37:35, Aaron Gordon wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On February 21, 2003 at 08:04:18, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On February 21, 2003 at 08:02:34, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On February 21, 2003 at 07:14:47, Charles Worthington wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On February 21, 2003 at 07:05:22, Charles Worthington wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On February 21, 2003 at 06:47:11, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On February 21, 2003 at 04:46:53, Charles Worthington wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Bob what program is required for me to conduct benchmark tests with Crafty? >>>>>>>>>>>>Could you please e-mail it or post a link here to it? Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Charles, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>You have it, the "crafty" program has a built in benchmark ....start crafty in >>>>>>>>>>>dos mode (console) with no crafty.rc file ( a plain taxt file you create with >>>>>>>>>>>engine parameters - but in this case - do not have a crafty.rc file in the same >>>>>>>>>>>directory as crafty). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Type word "bench" at the command prompt. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Mike >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Thanks Mike. I haven't set the Crafty you sent me up yet so I didn't know. In >>>>>>>>>>all honesty I have no Idea how to set it up to run on the Chessbase server. The >>>>>>>>>>Crafty that comes with fritz is already set up so I have never had to set one up >>>>>>>>>>yet. The other foreign progs are easy just drop in the eng and dll and you are >>>>>>>>>>done. This does not look so easy. :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>640 kNs.....Not good :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>on your new machine?? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>ok I see it in your title ...that is respectable for 1.2Ghz Celeron -- it's in >>>>>>>the ballpark -- I think a dual 3 Ghz will get 3M nps.... >>>>>> >>>>>>Hyatts Dual xeon 2.8GHz only gets 2.1 million in the benchmark.. >>>>>>If you scale it up to 3.06x2 + HT you'll only see about 2.3 million. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Crafty v19.4 (1 cpus) >>>>>> >>>>>>White(1): mt=4 >>>>>>max threads set to 4 >>>>>>White(1): bench >>>>>>Running benchmark. . . >>>>>>...... >>>>>>Total nodes: 104415743 >>>>>>Raw nodes per second: 2130933 >>>>>>Total elapsed time: 49 >>>>>>SMP time-to-ply measurement: 13.061224 >>>>>>White(1): end >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Thats good to know aaron but i never said i would pull 3 million with crafty. I >>>>>run fritz primarily. I may experiment some with crafty though. where are u >>>>>getting a 3000kNs figure? >>>> >>>>Mike mentioned 3000kN/s. By the way, from what I've seen Crafty will get more >>>>kN/s than Fritz will. Crafty has better support for HT, too. The only way you >>>>will come close to 3 million is by using an AMD system. Those don't need HT and >>>>are fast already. Crafty gets 1.3 million nodes/sec on a P4-3.06GHz with HT, >>>>1.8x speedup and you've got just over 2.3 million nodes/sec, just as Hyatt has >>>>shown us here with his 2.8's. Now, you don't get to use HT (well, it's not >>>>useful yet) in Deep Fritz. Take my CPU for example. I get about 1.6 million >>>>nodes/sec in crafty's benchmark. 1.6 million * 1.7 speedup = 2.72 million >>>>nodes/sec. This will also be quick for Deep Fritz, too. If you want speed and >>>>don't mind pushing your chips a little (only 10% overlock, not much at all) >>>>you'll have the fastest box. >>>> >>>>Considering the motherboard will be $150 and each chip is less than $100 thats a >>>>pretty good deal. ~$1000 for a system that gets 2.72 million nodes/sec without >>>>any HT help OR $4000-5000 for a system that gets 2.31 million and has to support >>>>HT. I don't know about you but the decision is pretty clear to me.. >>> >>> >>> >>>well actually aaron i just watched one of the guys from ccc here in playchess >>>with a dual 2600mp and he was pulling 1995 kNs with deep fritz 7 and was >>>overclocked to over 2800...I saved the game and the kNs posted by the >>>server...and it was more than one game as he was getting demolished by a 2.2 ghz >>>p4 single. Oh and BTW i dont need 3.06 to beat that...Bob's 2.8's will pull 2250 >>>themselves. You guys can make all the wild claims here you like but the fritz >>>server tells on you every time. The 3.06 dual will be here next week so If an >>>amd system here can get a higher kNs i want to see it on the server where it >>>counts but u had better do a whole bunch of overclocking and get those cpu's >>>steaming. You would have to be dilusional to believe that AMD 2600MP is superior >>>to a high end Intel Workstation. And I don't need a Degree in computer science >>>to figure that one out. Just a little observation on the server will do. So if >>>you can outpost the xeons dont tell me...come show me..then i will be the first >>>to come back here and congratulate you... :-) Of course it wont happen so... >> >> >>Oh and also i almost forgot There were others from here that witnessed it too >>along with the speed he claimed to get here...the two wern't even close. > > >Oh and i also believe that if AMD had the technology or the research funds to >have invented hyperthreading technology...they would have. it doesnt take a >rocket scientist to see that two threads are better than one for multiple >applications. So i will keep the 2600 dollar pair of xeons if you don't mind. >Besides i wasnt looking to save money i was looking for a good machine that >didn't_have_to be overclocked to get 2500 kNs. Had I been searching for an >economical system i would have chosen the AMD. But I would have lived with what >I had and not tried to fry eggs on it. :-)) Not everyone here wants 100.00 >cpu's. Thats why there are two markets... As koibito pointed out two XP's in SMP configuration are slower than two MP's. Also I've already done the comparison. Koibito (dual athlons @ 2.31) gets more nodes/second than hyatts box. Also, my old AthlonXP 1.6 @ 1.86GHz beat Hyatts dual Xeon running Crafty? Does that make my machine better than his? Sure doesn't. Programs, books, hash sizes, etc were all different. If you take the exact same program with the same settings faster will better. There's no way that single P4 is faster than his dual and that single P4 gets barely half of what my cpu gets in chess stuff. Also, did koibito play a few hundred games against that P4? Did they use the exact same program and settings? You can't make ANY conclusions about speed based off what you've seen in those 1-2 games you saw. If you do then go ahead and assume my old XP 1.86 is better than hyatts xeons.. it's not true but go ahead anyway, you did the same with the dual Athlon box. ;)
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