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Subject: Re: Oooh Aaron..........

Author: Charles Worthington

Date: 07:42:30 02/22/03

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On February 22, 2003 at 03:21:27, Matt Taylor wrote:

>On February 22, 2003 at 02:21:52, Charles Worthington wrote:
>
>>On February 22, 2003 at 01:08:15, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>
>>>On February 22, 2003 at 00:31:38, Charles Worthington wrote:
>>>
>>>>Oh and i also believe that if AMD had the technology or the research funds to
>>>>have invented hyperthreading technology...they would have. it doesnt take a
>>>
>>>You're making some statements out of absolute ignorance here.
>>>
>>>First of all, Intel didn't invent "hyperthreading" technology.  Nor do they own
>>>exclusive rights to such technology - there's no legal issue preventing AMD from
>>>implementing something like it in their processors.  Second, for the past
>>>several years, AMD has produced more patents than Intel has, despite a R&D
>>>budget several times lower than Intel's.  What does that say about Intel's
>>>"technology or research funds"?
>>>
>>>The P4 has notoriously bad IPC compared to other recent x86 processors.  You
>>>could say that a big reason for adding hyperthreading is to ameliorate this
>>>condition.  I.e., the addition of hyperthreading brings the IPC up to a more
>>>respectable level, though it's still somewhat lower than that of the Athlon.
>>>Without hyperthreading, all the P4 has going for it is a high clockrate.  The P4
>>>_needs_ hyperthreading to keep its performance advantage.
>>>
>>>>rocket scientist to see that two threads are better than one for multiple
>>>>applications.
>>>
>>>And 4 threads are better than 2...What's your point?
>>
>>Actually the point is really simple...hyperthreading produces a boost in speed
>>and an extra thread to run background applications faster. If AMD has the
>>know-how to incorporate hyperthreading technology into their processors they
>>would be foolish not to economically and performance-wise....The truth of the
>>matter is....they cant do it and maintain a bargain basement price for their
>>products...and in all reality...I'm not 100% sure they have the know how or else
>>they could be marketing a high end hyperthreading chip to compete with the
>>xeon...or maybe they just don't want that extra money?
>
>The truth of the matter is doesn't cost much to add HT to a processor. Bob
>corrected me some time ago when I tried to claim the same thing.
>
>-Matt


Then I stand corrected Matt. There are a few people here I do actually listen
to...You, Bob, Mike Burne and Eugene. I do not claim to know all about these
machines_but_economics I do know. But when it comes to computers and I hear
Aaron (22 Years old with no degree) trying to argue with a PHd that overclocking
a server is okay, It is more than a little amusing. I mean it's not like he can
have years of experience doing this.:-)



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