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Subject: Re: Where Does The Assumption Originate From?

Author: Jeremiah Penery

Date: 22:39:52 02/22/03

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On February 23, 2003 at 00:37:56, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On February 22, 2003 at 02:01:30, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>
>>You're making some seriously unfounded statements about these issues, that have
>>absolutely no basis in reality.
>
>
>There is a _lot_ of reality in his statements.  To wit:

The unfounded assumptions I was referring to were that using 'cheaper' parts
means your machine will be less reliable, and that using those parts
necessitates exotic cooling methods in order to get good performance.

I have said absolutely nothing referring to any of the below.

>1.  If he has a failure in the hardware, Dell will have it fixed _tomorrow_
>with no questions asked.  Nearly everything they ship comes with a three year
>warranty that includes next day on site maint.
>
>2.  If your bolt it together yourself machine dies, tomorrow you will be
>sitting on the phone discussing the problems with a variety of vendors,
>having to justify why _they_ should replace your CPU when you obviously
>bought a MB capable of overclocking.

If you build your machine yourself for 1/5th the price, you have a lot of extra
money to replace the broken parts yourself and not worry about the cost. :)

But seriously, most parts you order come with some kind of 90-day warranty from
the store or perhaps 1-3 year manufacturer's warranty.  Some parts even have
lifetime warranty from the manufacturer.  Last year, I had a video card fail.  I
called the manufacturer, sent the card in, and had a replacement within a week,
for free.  Most of the time, it's not much more of an ordeal than it would be
with Dell.

>3.  He also bought a _bunch_ of disk performance.  Which will cost the same
>whether the MB is cheap (as you have to add a decent U320 SCSI controller)
>or not (MB comes with onboard U320 SCSI).

I never said one word about the disk performances or cost of anything.

>For someone with a machine that _has_ to be up, there is absolutely no
>comparison between a do-it-yourself overclocker and a commercial off the
>shelf with onsite warranty system.

I work at HP.  I build computers every day.  I would place _far more_ trust in a
computer I built myself to be fully reliable than the 'commercial off the
shelf...' system - onsite warranty or not.  If I had to have absolute
reliability or whatever, I wouldn't overclock.  I don't overclock now.  I just
don't hold the paranoid view that overclocking will absolutely cause failures.

>Not everyone just uses their machines for games.  Some do real work.  Some
>depend on them for their very livelihood.

No matter how careful you are, failures will happen.  How many disk failures
have you had in the past few years?  I can remember at least twice.  I've
_never_ had a disk failure of any kind.  Does that tell much?  Not really.  I
could say you're treating your drives badly somehow, but I'm sure that's not the
case.

Every single person I know who has a Dell/Gateway/HP system has had nothing but
problems from day one with them, with one exception for a friend of mine who
upgraded the machine himself.



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