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Subject: Re: 3.06 Xeon Test Results

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 20:14:26 04/10/03

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On April 10, 2003 at 20:17:32, Tom Kerrigan wrote:

>On April 10, 2003 at 11:12:24, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>>My understanding of SMT is as follows.  The processor divides its resources
>>>(issue queue, functional units, cache, etc) among two threads.  Now, I *think*
>>>that said threads are equal, that is, that they both get 50% of the CPU.
>>>Otherwise, special OS code would have to be written to support SMT.
>>
>>Correct so far, although in reality both threads get considerably less than 50%
>>each
>>as much of the time finds both threads waiting for something from memory or
>>cache,
>>or waiting on a result from a previous instruction.
>
>You could say the same thing about a single thread on a single processor, it's
>not getting "100%" of the CPU's power because it's waiting for memory, cache,
>previous instructions, blah blah blah. This is completely irrelevant.
>
>>But I don't buy the 50% stuff, the cpu is not that simple internally.  One
>>thread will run at
>>nearly full speed and the other gets slipped into the gaps, which is what I see
>>(at least) when
>>running Crafty.  And, when you get down to it, this is what should be expected
>>because of
>>how the threads get intermixed.   A single thread almost _never_ runs at "full
>>speed".  In fact,
>>most run well below 50% of max cpu speed, for obvious reasons.  SMT simply moves
>>that
>>up a bit...
>
>We're talking about millions of "gaps" per second and equal numbers of gaps per
>thread (because it's the same software doing basically the same thing), so sure,
>on a nanosecond scale, the threads aren't getting 50% each, but on any
>reasonable scale they are.
>
>-Tom

It's not so clear.  I can't find _anything_ that explains this particular
detail.  IE what happens if you have two micro-ops that you could issue right
now, one for each thread, but there is only one "slot" open?  I find no answer.

But experience suggests that a thread gets favored there.  IE the first YMP
from Cray handled memory bank conflicts based on physical cpu number as the
priority selector.  Not a real good idea.  What Intel did I can not find out,
but it is likely that one "logical processor" gets favored over the other, for
that reason.

Perhaps the details will come out over time.  Or if I ever have time, I could
force Linux to tie a unique process to a logical cpu and see if it is 50-50 or
70-30 or whatever...

Not enough time at the present, however, but hyper-threading is new and it will
take time for everything to be discovered.




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