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Subject: Re: Here are some actual numbers

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 21:46:06 04/15/03

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On April 15, 2003 at 14:36:27, Tom Kerrigan wrote:

>On April 14, 2003 at 17:53:19, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 14, 2003 at 16:06:28, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>>
>>>On April 13, 2003 at 11:15:15, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 13, 2003 at 02:38:00, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 13, 2003 at 01:03:17, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>You have been criticizing people for "bad math" this entire thread. You rejected
>>>>>>>the notion of a 50%-50% division:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I didn't "reject" anything.  I simply said it didn't match _my_ results and
>>>>>>it doesn't.  I've already posted some results with wild variance.  Separate
>>>>>
>>>>>Nonsense. Just read the quote I posted and you seemingly ignored:
>>>>>
>>>>>"But I don't buy the 50% stuff, the cpu is not that simple internally.  One
>>>>>thread will run at nearly full speed and the other gets slipped into the gaps"
>>>>
>>>>And?  That is based on _my_ testing with Crafty, as I said.  IE it doesn't
>>>>happen that way for my _threaded_ application.  I agreed that it _did_ happen
>>>>for totally independent processes, after I tested, because I don't normally
>>>>run that kind of test...
>>>
>>>Face it, you were making statements about the processor's architecture that were
>>>incorrect (remember the Cray YMP drivel you tried to use as some sort of
>>>supporting argument?). You obviously didn't realize that the CPU's resources
>>>were cleanly divided and now you're trying to pin this on some semantic "thread"
>>>vs. "processor" mumbo jumbo and saying that your numbers back you up, except
>>>that when you wrote the statements, you hadn't run any experiements at all
>>
>>
>>If you look back at my _initial_ post, I _clearly_ said I could not find any
>>reference
>>to how SMT divided stuff up.
>
>You may have said those words, but your initial posts about Vincent and
>Anthony's "bad math" clearly showed you rejecting the idea that the processors
>were split anywhere near even. The basis of your math is "I will get _some_
>speedup no matter how slow the second processor is" which does not account for
>the "first" processor getting any slower, which it does, even in your
>questionable tests.

And, by golly, my _test_ results support my original conclusion.  70-30 is
_not_ balanced.  At least not on any scale I care to use.

What is causing it is unknown.  But it is an issue...



>
>>>>But it doesn't happen for the particular program that was the subject of this
>>>>thread, namely does SMT produce any _real_ speedup in Crafty.  Data said
>>>
>>>How do you figure that? The root of this thread is 3.06 Xeon Test Results, the
>>>post that I referred you to, and that post doesn't even have the word Crafty in
>>>it.
>>
>>Did you see _my_ response?  Did you find the word "crafty" in it?
>>Sure you did..
>
>Ah, right, I forgot that the subject of a thread is determined by what YOU write
>about in your initial response.
>
>-Tom


Don't understand the concept of threads and sub-threads, eh?  I posted comments
about Crafty, and _that_ particular thread followed that idea...

That's why posts below that one are indented under it if they are related to
_that_ response, and they are indented under _other_ posts if they are following
_that_ response...




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