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Subject: Re: Complicated position ...

Author: Vincent Lejeune

Date: 07:03:42 10/16/98

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On October 16, 1998 at 03:15:49, blass uri wrote:

>On October 15, 1998 at 18:14:38, Vincent Lejeune wrote:
>
>>On October 15, 1998 at 17:33:53, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>On October 15, 1998 at 15:42:03, Vincent Lejeune wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 15, 1998 at 14:29:35, Moritz Berger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I tried the position with Junior 5 on PII-450 (256 MB RAM, 128 MB hash tables).
>>>>>I wouldn't trust any computer analysis in this position, though, it's very
>>>>>complicated even for the best programs on fast hardware ...
>>>>>
>>>>>Moritz
>>>>>
>>>>>Initial position:
>>>>>r1b3k1/pp2n1r1/2n1p2Q/3pPpNB/2p2q1P/P7/2P2PP1/R3R1K1 b - h3 0 1
>>>>>
>>>>>Analysis by Junior 5.0:
>>>>>
>>>>>20...c3 21.Re3 Bd7 22.Rae1 Qd4 23.Nxe6 Bxe6 24.Qxe6+ Kh7 25.Qf6
>>>>>  -+  (-1.78)   depth: 14   00:00:38  13662kN
>>>>>20...c3 21.Re3 Nxe5 22.g3 Ng4 23.Qxg7+ Kxg7 24.gxf4 Nxe3 25.fxe3 Ng6 26.Bxg6
>>>>>Kxg6 27.Kf2
>>>>>  ³  (-0.40)   depth: 16   00:01:53  41026kN
>>>>>20...Nd8 21.Re3 Nec6 22.c3 d4 23.g3 Qxg5 24.hxg5 dxe3 25.fxe3 Nxe5 26.Rd1
>>>>>  µ  (-1.32)   depth: 16   00:02:18  50099kN
>>>>>20...Bd7 21.Rad1 c3 22.g3 Qa4 23.Nxe6 Bxe6 24.Qxe6+ Kh7 25.Qd7 Qxh4 26.Qxb7 Rh8
>>>>>27.Bf3 f4
>>>>>  -+  (-1.51)   depth: 16   00:03:35  77026kN
>>>>>20...Qd4 21.Rad1 Qb2 22.Qf6 Nd8 23.Bf7+ Nxf7 24.Qxe7 Bd7 25.Nxe6 Bxe6 26.Qxe6
>>>>>Rg4 27.Rxd5 Rxh4 28.Qxf5
>>>>>  -+  (-1.70)   depth: 16   00:04:49  105737kN
>>>>>20...Qd4 21.Rad1 Qb2 22.Qf6 Nd8 23.Bf7+ Nxf7 24.Qxe7 Bd7 25.Nxe6 Bxe6 26.Qxe6
>>>>>Rg4 27.Rxd5 Rxh4 28.Qxf5
>>>>>  -+  (-1.70)   depth: 16   00:04:49  105888kN
>>>>>20...Qd4 21.Rad1 Qb2 22.Qf6 Nd8 23.Bf7+ Nxf7 24.Qxe7 Bd7 25.Nxe6 Bxe6 26.Qxe6
>>>>>  -+  (-1.70)   depth: 17   00:06:31  143522kN
>>>>>20...Qd4 21.Rad1 Qb2 22.Qf6 Nd8 23.Bf7+ Nxf7 24.Qxe7 Bd7 25.Nxe6 Bxe6 26.Qxe6
>>>>>  -+  (-1.70)   depth: 17   00:07:51  167586kN
>>>>>20...Qd4 21.Rad1 Qb2 22.Qf6 Nd8 23.Bf7+ Rxf7 24.Nxf7 Nxf7 25.Qxe7 Nxe5 26.Qg5+
>>>>>Kf7 27.Qh5+ Ng6 28.Qh7+ Qg7 29.Qxg7+ Kxg7
>>>>>  -+  (-1.42)   depth: 18   00:13:44  293349kN
>>>>>20...Bd7 21.Rad1 c3 22.g3 Qa4 23.Nf7 Rxf7 24.Bxf7+ Kxf7 25.Qh7+ Kf8 26.Qh6+ Kg8
>>>>>  -+  (-1.48)   depth: 18   00:17:11  367476kN
>>>>>20...Bd7 21.Rad1 c3 22.g3 Qa4 23.Nf7 Rxf7 24.Bxf7+ Kxf7 25.Qh7+ Kf8 26.Qh6+ Kg8
>>>>>  -+  (-1.48)   depth: 18   00:20:01  419756kN
>>>>>20...Bd7 21.Rad1
>>>>>  µ  (-1.18)   depth: 19   00:30:13  627583kN
>>>>>20...Bd7 21.Rad1
>>>>>  µ  (-1.18)   depth: 19   00:43:36  903055kN
>>>>>20...Bd7 21.Rab1 b5 22.Re3 Rf8 23.g3 Qd4 24.Nxe6 Bxe6 25.c3 Qb6 26.Qxe6+ Kh7
>>>>>27.Bd1 f4 28.Bc2+ Ng6 29.Bxg6+ Rxg6
>>>>>  µ  (-1.27)   depth: 20   01:37:24  2081206kN
>>>>>20...Bd7 21.Rab1 b5 22.Re3 Rf8 23.g3 Qd4 24.Nxe6 Bxe6 25.c3 Qb6 26.Qxe6+ Kh7
>>>>>27.Bd1 f4 28.Bc2+ Ng6 29.Bxg6+ Rxg6
>>>>>  µ  (-1.27)   depth: 20   02:00:00  2531581kN
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>if you follow the proposed main variation, at move 22. Junior thinks that white
>>>>>is still ok:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>r5k1/p2bn1r1/2n1p2Q/1p1pPpNB/2p2q1P/P7/2P2PP1/1R2R1K1 w - b6 0 1
>>>>>
>>>>>Analysis by Junior 5.0:
>>>>>
>>>>>22.Re3 c3 23.g3 Qc4 24.Nxe6 Bxe6 25.Qxe6+ Kh7 26.Qf6 Rag8
>>>>>  µ  (-1.25)   depth: 12   00:00:33  13211kN
>>>>>22.Re3 c3 23.g3 Qc4 24.Nxe6 Bxe6 25.Qxe6+ Kh7 26.Qf6 Rag8
>>>>>  µ  (-1.25)   depth: 12   00:00:34  13591kN
>>>>>22.Re3 Nxe5 23.g3 Ng4 24.Qxg7+ Kxg7 25.gxf4 Nxe3 26.fxe3 Rh8 27.Bf7 Rxh4 28.Bxe6
>>>>>Rg4+ 29.Kf2 Bxe6 30.Nxe6+
>>>>>  µ  (-1.22)   depth: 14   00:00:47  18455kN
>>>>>22.Re3 Nxe5 23.g3 Ng4 24.Qxg7+ Kxg7 25.gxf4 Nxe3 26.fxe3 Rh8 27.Bf7 Rxh4 28.Bxe6
>>>>>Rg4+ 29.Kf2 Bxe6 30.Nxe6+
>>>>>  µ  (-1.22)   depth: 14   00:01:39  36665kN
>>>>>22.Re3 Rf8 23.c3 d4 24.cxd4 a6 25.Bf7+ Rfxf7 26.Nxf7 Qxd4 27.Ng5 Nxe5 28.Nxe6
>>>>>  µ  (-1.10)   depth: 15   00:02:02  45112kN
>>>>>22.Re3 Rf8 23.c3 d4 24.cxd4 a6 25.Bf7+ Rfxf7 26.Nxf7 Qxd4 27.Ng5 Nxe5 28.Nxe6
>>>>>  µ  (-1.10)   depth: 15   00:03:47  80282kN
>>>>>22.Re3 Nxe5 23.g3 Ng4 24.Qxg7+ Kxg7 25.gxf4 Nxe3 26.fxe3 Rh8 27.Bf7 Kf6 28.h5
>>>>>Rf8 29.Bxe6 Bxe6 30.Rxb5
>>>>>  -+  (-1.43)   depth: 16   00:05:39  121470kN
>>>>>22.Re3 Nxe5 23.g3 Ng4 24.Qxg7+ Kxg7 25.gxf4 Nxe3 26.fxe3 Rh8 27.Bf7 Kf6 28.h5
>>>>>Rf8 29.Bxe6 Bxe6 30.Rxb5
>>>>
>>>>Ho dear ! It seems that Junior5 have overlooked 30. Nh7+ and 31.Nxf8  ;) (but
>>>>Genius5 don't when I followed this line until 27th move ...)
>>>
>>>It is a bad idea to follow a long line to decide about the position
>>>black has better moves in this line( 27...Rxh4) and Junior has no problem to see
>>
>>27...Rxh4 is followed by Bxe6 ...
>with advantage for black after 28...Bc6 29.Nf3 Rh3 30.Nd4 Rxe3 31.Bxf5 Kf6
>
>Uri


Thanks to have helped me to construct the best line ...
It Seems to be : 20... Bd7 21. Rab1 b5 22. Re3 Nxe5 23. g3 Ng4 24. Qxg7+ Kxg7
25. gxf4 Nxe3 26. fxe3 Rh8 27. Bf7 Rxh4 28. Bxe6 Bc6 29. Nf3 Rh3 30. Nd4 Rxe3
31. Bxf5 -+

Despite all my efforts (I had white in this game ...) I have not found a best
move to refute 20...Bd7 A slightly equivalent move is 21. Rad1 c3 22. g3 Qa4 23.
Nf7! Rxf7 24. Bxf7+ Kxf7 25. Qf6+ Kg8 26. Qg5+ Kh7 27. Qh5+ Kg7 28. Qg5+ Ng6
(the only move to avoid repetition) 29. h5 Qg4 30.Qf6+ Kh6 31.hxg6 Qxg6 -+

Very good work ...thanks again ...





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